Ronald Koeman discussion

[kenada_blue]

The worst home record ever wasn't my most enjoyable season . Good football for me is winning football. Simple.

The 72 points season was a'ight

 

[kenada_blue]

To be honest mate I didn't even read the article. Just the heading was all I needed.

Lukaku is as good as gone next Summer. Koeman basically said it a few days ago. As far as I am concerned, apart from one or two, they can all go. Mentally fragile and technically lacking for me this squad.

Then I cant really see us progressing for many a season

And mentality is all down to the coach imo.

 

[kithnou]

Then I cant really see us progressing for many a season

And mentality is all down to the coach imo.

As it stands, we need to somehow keep Lukaku and add 3 quality footballers MINIMUM into the staring 11 by the end of next Summer.
Pep couldn't make this team any better than top 7 mate. Let's not blame it all on the Manager. As @The Esk says many times, 3 decades of poor, or no, real investment in the squad leaves us with catch up to do to just compete with the big boys.
IF there really is ambition and finances available to Koeman by Moshiri, and I say IF after what transpired in August, then for me it will take at least 2 Summers (maybe more as we blew this last one) to see us with an 11 that is challenging for Europe.

 

[ToffeeTim]

We've a huge rebuilding job. Not a promising period.

 

[kithnou]

We've a huge rebuilding job. Not a promising period.

Alternatively, if there are finances available, it could be exciting.

 

[kenada_blue]

As it stands, we need to somehow keep Lukaku and add 3 quality footballers MINIMUM into the staring 11 by the end of next Summer.
Pep couldn't make this team any better than top 7 mate. Let's not blame it all on the Manager. As @The Esk says many times, 3 decades of poor, or no, real investment in the squad leaves us with catch up to do to just compete with the big boys.
IF there really is ambition and finances available to Koeman by Moshiri, and I say IF after what transpired in August, then for me it will take at least 2 Summers (maybe more as we blew this last one) to see us with an 11 that is challenging for Europe.

Which is still about 5 years behind everyone.

We can't attract top talent so we have to still rely on a scouting network. So unless we discover some gems, 5th to 7th is all were gonna get

The manager has to get wise to this IF he wants to get anywhere. But I feel his brand of football in this league gets us in the same position we can probably get this season -5th to 7th

 

[ToffeeTim]

Alternatively, if there are finances available, it could be exciting.

One can only hope so

 

[kithnou]

Which is still about 5 years behind everyone.

We can't attract top talent so we have to still rely on a scouting network. So unless we discover some gems, 5th to 7th is all were gonna get

The manager has to get wise to this IF he wants to get anywhere. But I feel his brand of football in this league gets us in the same position we can probably get this season -5th to 7th

Europa League for me is a minimum requirement every season.

 

[ijjysmith]

Alternatively, if there are finances available, it could be exciting.

I'd go further and say should be exciting.

But have a real fear at the moment.

 

[kithnou]

I'd go further and say should be exciting.

But have a real fear at the moment.

That could be a good thing. Fear of finally having a real expectation after so long.

 

[terry nodder]

Its time for a clear out. For whatever reason the majority of players either are not good enough to reach the top, have an inferiority complex or lack the brains and know how to adapt to new formations and tactics.

At present the only players in and around the first team i wouldn't want to go are Williams, Holgate ( i think there is a top player in there) Gana, Barry and Lukaku. All the rest are fair game to go. Send Davies out on loan to the championship and see how he develops. All the rest can jog on and we rebuild in the next few windows.

I agree with the players who you mention here being worth sticking around, problem is williams and barry are going to need replacing sooner rather than later, and add to that there's every chance Lukakau sods off whether we're doing well or not.

It's all boils down to we need to essentially replace the whole flipping squad, apart from Holgate and Davies, it's a right flipping hoo-haa

ThAnks Terry

 

[Zatara]

Eh? Rooney, Osman, Barkley, Rodwell, (ish, but we got a few bob), arguably Stones, and probably 1/2 dozen more that I cant remember.

I half wrote the sentence, I meant a group mate...as in a few at the same time.

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

I think watching the game yesterday, if koeman wants to employ 3 centre halves holgate and Galloway would be much better options than jags and Mori as they offer much more pace to the team. None of our centre halve are blessed with this and we where glaringly exposed yesterday. Gana was sorely missed. If everton are serious about been contenders we should make serious bids for Fabrigas and Willian who are out of favour at the minute. Short term lets give Davies a go.

 

[Zatara]

Yes ,let's develop them ,let's watch them making mistakes on their way to a career for Rotherham,costing us points as they go. Oh and let's enjoy the one or two that are any good, leave for a top club as soon as they can. I'm working under the premise that we may have money,laughable I know. If we haven't then mid table obscurity livened up by occasional relegation battles will be our lot for the foreseeable regardless of snot nosed kids or gormless managers. Becoming the modern day Crewe Alexandria , developing players for the top clubs to benefit from doesn't interest me, sorry.

How much money do we need to spend to make the champions league as without that we wont attract top.players so need to develop them

Youre not very confident in Unsworth nor Walsh to bring through good players yet Holgate and Galloway have come into the 1st team ans been good

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

How much money do we need to spend to make the champions league as without that we wont attract top.players so need to develop them

Youre not very confident in Unsworth nor Walsh to bring through good players yet Holgate and Galloway have come into the 1st team ans been good

Throughout the years relatively few players come through the club, those that have ,have developed into decent ,not great ,players. The exception being Rooney and he turned his back on us first opportunity. Holgate (who I rate highly ) like Galloway and Stones, were bought from lower league clubs having already gained some first team experience. So no I doubt very much the model you propose will ever yield sustained success. Since football first became professional,the ability of the richer clubs to buy in established players has always underpinned their success. To compete ,you have to spend, if you haven't got it you wait for a miracle ,or Brian Clough.