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kithnou said:
Yes. Get rid and start again.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ws/ronald-koeman-wasting-time-trying-12135263

Is Ronald Koeman wasting his time trying to transform this Everton squad?

Phil Kirkbride believes the humiliation at Stamford Bridge exposed a serious underlying issue for the Blues

Antonio Conte was bang on the money when he pinpointed Everton ’s downfall to the moment they decided to create “man-to-man situations” - because this was men versus boys.

This was fast versus slow. Strong versus weak and the right attitude versus the wrong one.

It felt like a Premier League team against one from the Championship.

Sure, Chelsea are a very good team and made a statement of intent by going top of the league with this merciless slaying but they didn’t just expose the gulf in class and quality - they exposed the chasm that exists in the fundamentals.

Working hard, running yourself into the ground, competing, challenging for 50-50s, blood, sweat, tears and bravery.

Not tricks, flicks, turns, 35-yard screamers and rabonas but the stuff that should be a given, but in too many of Everton’s players isn’t.

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Chelsea 5-0 Everton
The question is, will it ever be found in them?

And while Ronald Koeman spoke about his players being taught a “big lesson” by Chelsea you left Stamford Bridge wondering if some will ever learn to play how he wants.

Eleven games into the new Premier League season and the Everton boss, win, lose or draw, is still having to use phrases like “aggression”, “winning second balls”, “run”, “work” and “mentality”.

It set the alarm bells ringing when he spoke about one of the differences at Stamford Bridge being “hunger” and it’s clear that Everton need to rediscover old fashioned English football values to be able to compete at the top of the English game again.

Koeman could easily have thrown in “leadership” and “spirit” after yesterday’s drubbing.

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PHIL KIRKBRIDE ON THE EVERTON DEFEAT AT STAMFORD BRIDGE

Everton are currently good enough to overawe most of the teams in the bottom half of the table, as well as a few in the top half, but when they face the elite sides in the division they risk being give the runaround or, as they did on Saturday night, risk being run over.

You either approach the Premier League like Manchester City and Arsenal, and try and pass your way to the top, or you do what Chelsea are doing, what Spurs do and what Leicester City did last season.

Koeman wants that.

He wants to build a team of athletes, big, strong powerful players who, if absolutely nothing else and on afternoons when they are up against it or having off days, will battle, scrap, run and work to make life as hard as possible for the opposition.

Consider what he recently said about the state of players from his homeland. “Physically, we are losing a lot in Holland because we had too much of ‘always about football’ and we lost a little bit the workrate of players and the physical strengths of the players.

“And if you are not physically strong then you need to be a very good player.”
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Its right. But that means the whole squad needs to go - including Lukaku

But it's wrong to say Spurs, Chelsea and this season the RS just run and bully teams with big powerful players. They don't. They have technically gifted players all over, the right balance, and a high tempo with and without the ball, pass and pace.

We hoof. Don't really play football and have an inconsistent forward line. Running about and putting a foot in would've lowered the scoreline Saturday.. But we weren't getting a result
 
kenada_blue said:
Its right. But that means the whole squad needs to go - including Lukaku

But it's wrong to say Spurs, Chelsea and this season the RS just run and bully teams with big powerful players. They don't. They have technically gifted players all over, the right balance, and a high tempo with and without the ball, pass and pace.

We hoof. Don't really play football and have an inconsistent forward line. Running about and putting a foot in would've lowered the scoreline Saturday.. But we weren't getting a result
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To be honest mate I didn't even read the article. Just the heading was all I needed. :oops:

Lukaku is as good as gone next Summer. Koeman basically said it a few days ago. As far as I am concerned, apart from one or two, they can all go. Mentally fragile and technically lacking for me this squad.
 
kithnou said:
To be honest mate I didn't even read the article. Just the heading was all I needed. :oops:

Lukaku is as good as gone next Summer. Koeman basically said it a few days ago. As far as I am concerned, apart from one or two, they can all go. Mentally fragile and technically lacking for me this squad.
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Then I cant really see us progressing for many a season

And mentality is all down to the coach imo.
 
kenada_blue said:
Then I cant really see us progressing for many a season

And mentality is all down to the coach imo.
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As it stands, we need to somehow keep Lukaku and add 3 quality footballers MINIMUM into the staring 11 by the end of next Summer.
Pep couldn't make this team any better than top 7 mate. Let's not blame it all on the Manager. As @The Esk says many times, 3 decades of poor, or no, real investment in the squad leaves us with catch up to do to just compete with the big boys.
IF there really is ambition and finances available to Koeman by Moshiri, and I say IF after what transpired in August, then for me it will take at least 2 Summers (maybe more as we blew this last one) to see us with an 11 that is challenging for Europe.
 

kithnou said:
As it stands, we need to somehow keep Lukaku and add 3 quality footballers MINIMUM into the staring 11 by the end of next Summer.
Pep couldn't make this team any better than top 7 mate. Let's not blame it all on the Manager. As @The Esk says many times, 3 decades of poor, or no, real investment in the squad leaves us with catch up to do to just compete with the big boys.
IF there really is ambition and finances available to Koeman by Moshiri, and I say IF after what transpired in August, then for me it will take at least 2 Summers (maybe more as we blew this last one) to see us with an 11 that is challenging for Europe.
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Which is still about 5 years behind everyone.

We can't attract top talent so we have to still rely on a scouting network. So unless we discover some gems, 5th to 7th is all were gonna get

The manager has to get wise to this IF he wants to get anywhere. But I feel his brand of football in this league gets us in the same position we can probably get this season -5th to 7th
 
kenada_blue said:
Which is still about 5 years behind everyone.

We can't attract top talent so we have to still rely on a scouting network. So unless we discover some gems, 5th to 7th is all were gonna get

The manager has to get wise to this IF he wants to get anywhere. But I feel his brand of football in this league gets us in the same position we can probably get this season -5th to 7th
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Europa League for me is a minimum requirement every season.
 

harris78 said:
Its time for a clear out. For whatever reason the majority of players either are not good enough to reach the top, have an inferiority complex or lack the brains and know how to adapt to new formations and tactics.

At present the only players in and around the first team i wouldn't want to go are Williams, Holgate ( i think there is a top player in there) Gana, Barry and Lukaku. All the rest are fair game to go. Send Davies out on loan to the championship and see how he develops. All the rest can jog on and we rebuild in the next few windows.
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I agree with the players who you mention here being worth sticking around, problem is williams and barry are going to need replacing sooner rather than later, and add to that there's every chance Lukakau sods off whether we're doing well or not.

It's all boils down to we need to essentially replace the whole flipping squad, apart from Holgate and Davies, it's a right flipping hoo-haa

ThAnks Terry
 
I think watching the game yesterday, if koeman wants to employ 3 centre halves holgate and Galloway would be much better options than jags and Mori as they offer much more pace to the team. None of our centre halve are blessed with this and we where glaringly exposed yesterday. Gana was sorely missed. If everton are serious about been contenders we should make serious bids for Fabrigas and Willian who are out of favour at the minute. Short term lets give Davies a go.
 

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