Ronald Koeman discussion

[1966efc]

Surely Lukaku was going anyway, so that we could have the leeway to offer higher wages to incoming players.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Essentially what Koeman has said is totally correct. It just didn't need to have been said.

Agreed

It's a sizeable snafu from him I think, and will probably get a lot of play in the media

 

[MikeH72]

Ah great I've missed these

 

[Milkman]

I'm sorry, but is what he said incorrect in any way? God we love moaning. He's not saying he should sign for bloody Middlesbrough is he?

 

[terry nodder]

This is the kind of honesty that it's fine for fans in the pub to speak about.
But for flip's sake he is the manager who represents us and gets paid handsomely to do so.

It well may be a by-product of the years of mismanagement at board level, but poor form from Koeman this.

We aren't going to raise ourselves to the next level with a manager who comes out with this sort of stuff

Cheers Terry

 

[gav1985]

Don't disagree with what he has said but I think it was just unnecessary. That's all there is to it really.

 

[MikeH72]

I'm sorry, but is what he said incorrect in any way? God we love moaning. He's not saying he should sign for bloody Middlesbrough is he?

I liked the part when he said Barkley needed to improve and people moaned at him for not bigging him up.

 

[Khalekan]

Even after getting skelped 5-0 by Chelsea at the weekend, we're better off now than we were in the last days of Martinez

I agree with that......we are marginally better now than what we were during the post Arsenal torpor which brought about Bobby's demise.

But by 'eck we are miles off how the team was playing this time last year.

Some of our attacking play was exhilarating.

And the much vaunted tightening up of the defence has been exposed at both Burnley and Chelsea.

At City as well but we got away with it there when the missed two carelessly conceded penalties by our skipper.

 

[Khalekan]

Don't disagree with what he has said but I think it was just unnecessary. That's all there is to it really.

Half the things he says are unnecessary.

Starting by letting Spurs know we were only 70% fit the day before the season started

 

[Raino85]

Unnecessary and ill-advised.

I'm very much pro-RK, and for the most part quite like his bluntness, but there was no need to even answer a question like that at this stage of the season. I expect there is a translation issue here as well but it does come across as quite belittling.

Quite belitiling? this is a fella that has won titles as a player and a manager, a manager at a "smaller club" finished above us in his 2 seasons in england, a manager that has played for Barcelona, Ajax and one of the best Netherlands teams in history.
You think he views Everton, a team that has won 1 FA cup in 28 years and 0 trophies in 21 years as a big enough club for a player of Romelu Lukaku's calibre.
Ron is a realist, his ceiling is very high and at the moment we are on the carpet!

 

[MikeH72]

Our fans are ace, I love us. No one does a complete and utter non-scandal like we do.

 

[davek]

what is actually wrong with that?

not exactly going places right now are we, or have been for a long time now. Same as the whole rooney thing was held against him for leaving us, failing to remember our lowest points total in 100 years the season he left.

Think if we stop being so pig headed and singing grand old team to ourselves every day to make us feel better, would a 25 goals a season striker in stoke be seen as too big for the club? Or west brom? Or southampton? Or west ham (payet right now)?

To be perfectly honest, i don't want to be spoon fed niceties by the club, manager, owner or captain. I want to be told how it is, and not be led down a path. If it means Koeman talking up a sale of rom then fine,k we all know he is leaving at some point anyway.

Big difference with Rooney is that we couldn't produce cash to invest in the squad and match his ambition. Now we, apparently, can. This manager is shaping up to be an arrogant get who is paid a kings ransom and insults us.

 

[davek]

He was asked a question and answered it truthfully ,it's slightly dispiriting but it's where we are and have been for 30odd years. What doesn't he 'get'? , that we like having our egos massaged and being told we are a phenomenal club a giant on the world stage when we clearly are not.
We all know that Lukaku will move on to better things anyway, but at least he will have given us more time and goals than 'superblue' Rooney when he departs.

He just took his kecks down and shat all over us mate. THATS what's wrong with it.

That was Moyes-esque when he went to OT. If Moyes gets pilloried for it, so does Koeman. That's consistency.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Our fans are ace, I love us. No one does a complete and utter non-scandal like we do.

Are you seriously okay with the manager talking us down in such a manner mate?

I've been backing Koeman thus far, but I'm sorry I can't argue this away

It's poor form from him

I don't want him gone or anything like that, but I still think this is a considerable blunder

 

[Mountfield1985]

Quite belitiling? this is a fella that has won titles as a player and a manager, a manager at a "smaller club" finished above us in his 2 seasons in england, a manager that has played for Barcelona, Ajax and one of the best Netherlands teams in history.
You think he views Everton, a team that has won 1 FA cup in 28 years and 0 trophies in 21 years as a big enough club for a player of Romelu Lukaku's calibre.
Ron is a realist, his ceiling is very high and at the moment we are on the carpet!

Read my post again. I'm not doubting his achievements in the game, or the accuracy of his statement.

To say a player would be wasting his career if he stayed at Everton, yes that is belittling. Even if it is true. And very dispiriting for fans to hear. It does nobody any good and he would be well advised to skirt around answering those sorts of questions in future.