Ronald Koeman discussion

[Lanolin]

Success mate, that is how we are supposed to attract players. Right now we have none, and even in a patch of form which is concerning that we need to address in a fortnight.

He isn't talking the club down, reality does that for us. Winning nothing in 21 years? Two mid table finishes in a row? Selling our best players to bigger clubs every season? What else does this look like in all honesty? A neutral would confirm the same thing, we look like we sell to buy, a stepping stone to the top of the league and despite a 'billionaire' owner nothing has changed.

So yeah, how is he talking the club down? We have gone nowhere for so long and even when it appears we are turning a corner we fall back into the same pattern again in regards to selling our best players.



Of course Koeman is arrogant, the fact we went out of our way to get him must be an ego booster in itself. Plus the wages to attract him here? Well what does that tell you about the standing of the club? We have to overpay a manager to come here?

you said yourself it looks like the same old situation at the club, so saying we have the money to invest and then we don't? Hell even from a neutral perspective, we have been taken over, sold our best young talent (again) not signed anyone of note and aren't lighting the league up (yet again).

Genuinely, take a step back for a second, how would you view the club? especially over 21 years? There is nothing here to talk up right now, we are what we have become, a mid table club who just turns up every season. We are paying Koeman to change that so if he does, i am sure he will be talking us up a hell of a lot more. Otherwise right now we either didn't back him in the summer, or we failed to bring quite a few players in. Either way, hardly matching any ambition he has?

I think you're missing the point.

Of course what he's said is effectively true, but somebody in his position should not be saying it to the press.

The organisation that I work for can sometimes be less effective than I would like. I can say that to my boss, and he will agree. We can go for a pint and chat about how frustrating we find it, and there's absolutely no issue. If I write something on social media criticising the organisation however, I would expect to be disciplined for it, and rightly so. How can the public have faith in us if staff are openly criticising policy? They can't, and the same applies here. Moshiri is trying to sell the idea that we're going places, and Koeman is saying we aren't - it's ridiculous. All he needed to say was 'We really want Lukaku to stay and we feel like in time he can achieve everything he wants here, but we appreciate that he wants to win things and play at the top level so if we can't offer him that it might be difficult to hold on to him.' It's not rocket science.

 

[Thomasc]

There is just absolutely no need for it. Didn't need to say anything other than he is our player and until that changes will do a job for Everton.

Not tell him he will outgrow us FFS!

Massive gaff and I can see why people don't like it.

 

[davek]

I think you're missing the point.

Of course what he's said is effectively true, but somebody in his position should not be saying it to the press.

The organisation that I work for can sometimes be less effective than I would like. I can say that to my boss, and he will agree. We can go for a pint and chat about how frustrating we find it, and there's absolutely no issue. If I write something on social media criticising the organisation however, I would expect to be disciplined for it, and rightly so. How can the public have faith in us if staff are openly criticising policy? They can't, and the same applies here. Moshiri is trying to sell the idea that we're going places, and Koeman is saying we aren't - it's ridiculous. All he needed to say was 'We really want Lukaku to stay and we feel like in time he can achieve everything he wants here, but we appreciate that he wants to win things and play at the top level so if we can't offer him that it might be difficult to hold on to him.' It's not rocket science.

Quite....and I'd go further than that: if you're a player he's at best saying that what he's building here at Everton is merely a platform for them to climb up and away to other clubs rather than building something to help them make history here with us at Everton.

 

[EFC78]

He was asked a question and answered it truthfully ,it's slightly dispiriting but it's where we are and have been for 30odd years. What doesn't he 'get'? , that we like having our egos massaged and being told we are a phenomenal club a giant on the world stage when we clearly are not.
We all know that Lukaku will move on to better things anyway, but at least he will have given us more time and goals than 'superblue' Rooney when he departs.

That's how I see it too. In my younger days I would have probably been more offended but I have accepted where we are as a club.

I'm proud of what we've achieved in our past but for the last 20-30 years we've been also rans. After spending all that time, effort and money the other day to go and see us whimper to yet another humiliating defeat to one of the "big" clubs where we haven't mustered a single win since 1994, it's hard to argue how great a club we still are. We're quite often a figure of fun to the top English clubs. A side that they have their best record against in the PL era or have scored the most goals against. The side that turns up and doesn't even put up a fight in crucial games like the derby.

I can't get annoyed at the manager stating the truth about player ambitions either. We aren't as big as Barcelona and Lukaku won't win things here.

 

[Tin-Tin]

He's not disrespecting us, its just the reality (even though he's not a Barca player in a million years imo) of the situation. Just like Suarez would never have fullfiled his potential staying at Liverpool, same with Bale/Modric at Spurs.

Lukaku is 23 and we are not going to reach that level any time in his playing career, so if he really does have the potential (as he, Koeman and lots if others think) to be one of the best in the world he will want to play with the best.

 

[AndyC]

It is almost beyond comprehension that someone like Koeman - who has been in the game long enough to know better - keeps falling into a self-made trap of talking on subjects that...
a. don't need to be brought up
b. can easily be avoided/swerved
c. will obviously irritate supporters

When, oh when is our club going to employ someone to give all media facing staff some serious media training - it is bizarre to say the very least.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

Just more fans accepting mediocrity if you aren't offended by those comments.

Boo him every time he takes to the technical box.

 

[Ashtonian]

I think you're missing the point.

Of course what he's said is effectively true, but somebody in his position should not be saying it to the press.

The organisation that I work for can sometimes be less effective than I would like. I can say that to my boss, and he will agree. We can go for a pint and chat about how frustrating we find it, and there's absolutely no issue. If I write something on social media criticising the organisation however, I would expect to be disciplined for it, and rightly so. How can the public have faith in us if staff are openly criticising policy? They can't, and the same applies here. Moshiri is trying to sell the idea that we're going places, and Koeman is saying we aren't - it's ridiculous. All he needed to say was 'We really want Lukaku to stay and we feel like in time he can achieve everything he wants here, but we appreciate that he wants to win things and play at the top level so if we can't offer him that it might be difficult to hold on to him.' It's not rocket science.

The flip side of this is that it is HIS job to change it. Granted yes he talks the club down but that is where we are right now, especially in comparisons to the likes of Barcelona. We are paying him to change that though and put us on a much better standing. I personally don't take offense from what he says when he also knows it falls down on him as to why this isn't the best place for lukaku. If he improves our fortunes and gets us into the top 4 for arguments sake, then i am sure he would be the first to say this is the best place for him also.

His words in my perspective are not harmful in any way because it does not bend the truth at all, which coming from the man who publically has been announced as the man in charge of footballing areas, will shoulder the blame should he not improve the standings.

But then again it is the obviousness of it all. Any club fan outside of us would not see any fault in what he is saying, same as any fan outside of them lot can see how deluded they are every year. But go and ask them what they think and all of a sudden you would hear a different side of the tale. Same as here, most club fans don't see us as anything different from stokes and the like, the clubs we don't personally take much notice of in the first place. So i highly doubt Koeman saying that changes any public perception of us, especially when allegedly we were writing blank cheques for players wages in the summer and it still didn't convince them to join.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

The difference between Klopp and Koeman is Klopp has made an average team better in 12 months and talks about the club as the biggest in world football. Our manager just makes us feel small

 

[ijjysmith]

Just more fans accepting mediocrity if you aren't offended by those comments.

Boo him every time he takes to the technical box.

We are mediocre in Premier League terms.

 

[Connor]

Joke this really.

Sack him now and replace him tomorrow.

 

[Thomasc]

The difference between Klopp and Koeman is Klopp has made an average team better in 12 months and talks about the club as the biggest in world football. Our manager just makes us feel small

And of course Koeman has only been in charge for 12 games, not over a full year!

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

We are mediocre in Premier League terms.

We are Everton who should not accept nothing less than the best. One of the pioneers of football.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

And of course Koeman has only been in charge for 12 games, not over a full year!

Did Klopp belittle Liverpool in his first 6 months?

 

[D410]

Is,nt it clear to everyone by now?
Koeman and a few of the A list players see themselves progressing beyond everton football club.
If the club wants to keep it,s best players and manager then they need to match the ambition of Koeman and the players.
Koeman will be gone in the summer is my bet if the club do not back him in Jan.