Ronald Koeman

[Norwegian Cow]

Really, who cares?

It's the manager who makes the calls. Don't give a dam who is assistant is.

Plus, by all accounts Lee is a very respected coach.

Sammy-lover

 

[bluegirl]

I'd rather Frank De Boer, but I'd love Koeman too.

Jose > De Boer > Koeman would be my shortlist. I'd be made up with any of those three but don't really want anyone else.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I agree mate - looking at it objectively and on purely current footballing levels of relative success (however you define it) - it's not.

It would be a step up in the stature of the club and history, but again objectively speaking how much does that factor into it.

The key (if he were to come here) would be the money. If he has to sell the likes of Forster and Mane etc this summer at Sotton, but we can offer him a big transfer kitty (whether that is boosted by sales of players as well who knows yet - I presume it probably will be), then we may be able to offer him more than he can get at St Mary's in terms of that - as well as a heftier pay-package.

I still doubt he's gonna leave if they get Europa, which is really likely. Transfer money or not.

Also doubt they'd do another fire sale if they get in there too.

That said, if we were to hire him - he'd have my full support obviously, but it doesn't exactly fill me with excitement. Koeman goes away after a year or two, and would be a stopgap, rather than a lengthy solution, as @Tubey said. He'd get us mid-table, but, even with the dire season we had, do we really want to aim at mid table? Why not higher? We can actually afford it for once, show ambition, and try to go forward. It's been pointed out 1000 times already that he also had issues with previous fans and employers which doesn't exactly fill me with hope. As an added bonus - if he decides to come to us, he's experiencing a fire sale situation again anyway, as Stones, Lukaku and probably more are likely on their way out, as well as old players out of contract etc. In a situation like that I'd like someone who won't eff off in a year's time like...

You forgetting he did extremely well at Chelsea for four years mate?

Of course not, but I'd say the league has changed for ~13 years though, wouldn't you?

Plus define extremely well - they were very competitive and near the top, yes, but weren't Mourinho's Chelsea. Ranieri built a good team that should be winning titles, but failed to win a single one... then went on to do not much for several years, until winning the league here in his first attempt.


Overall: I just don't get it. If we were offered Mourinho circa 2004 somehow, fresh out of winning everything with Porto, people would probably still say "nah, no experience in the Prem, swerve". Baffles me.

 

[bluegirl]

As others have said - I think Frank De Boer is a longer term project than Koeman.

 

[yakublue]

I remember the same comments before we hired Martinez.

I was against Martinez at the time but was talked around. Not this time.

Jose. Or no way for me.

Obvious difference is that Koeman has won 3 Dutch titles with 2 different teams, and hasn't just seen his team relegated from the Prem. But otherwise, very similar to the Martinez situation.

People will have to come to terms that there is zero chance of Jose coming. It's equivalent to getting annoyed that we're not going to sign Messi.

 

[welshtoffee]

As others have said - I think Frank De Boer is a longer term project than Koeman.

I would prefer De Boer over Koeman and it would save us a lot of compensation as he is a free agent

 

[mill]

No we dont need to realise our status. Fans and the media need to realise Everton's status and attractiveness. Ronald Koeman is interest in the job, and he's not using it as leverage for a new Saints contract either.

Fans and Media want Everton to stay plucky hence the shouts for Moyes, Howe, Hughes etc from a lot of them. Moshiri doesnt want Everton to be 'plucky' and we most certainly wont be. We can take any manager in the League we want apart from real big names.

Perhaps I didn't make my point well enough. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be perceived as a step up from Southampton. We definitely are.

I'm saying that it's not perceived that way by a lot of people who don't support Everton. Our status has fallen in that respect. Not as many people see us as a big club anymore.

 

[Abertonian]

I'd rather Frank De Boer, but I'd love Koeman too.

Jose > De Boer > Koeman would be my shortlist. I'd be made up with any of those three but don't really want anyone else.

What about Pellegrini, wasn't he on your list before?

 

[Papa Shango]

I still doubt he's gonna leave if they get Europa, which is really likely. Transfer money or not.

Does anyone really give a toss about the Europa?

Its nice to win obviously and the fans enjoy some nice away days but I honestly dont think the players or managers care at all.

 

[Papa Shango]

I would prefer De Boer over Koeman and it would save us a lot of compensation as he is a free agent

Hes not. Ajax still own his contract. We would still need to pay them something.

 

[BlueToff]

I still doubt he's gonna leave if they get Europa, which is really likely. Transfer money or not.

Also doubt they'd do another fire sale if they get in there too.

That said, if we were to hire him - he'd have my full support obviously, but it doesn't exactly fill me with excitement. Koeman goes away after a year or two, and would be a stopgap, rather than a lengthy solution, as @Tubey said. He'd get us mid-table, but, even with the dire season we had, do we really want to aim at mid table? Why not higher? We can actually afford it for once, show ambition, and try to go forward. It's been pointed out 1000 times already that he also had issues with previous fans and employers which doesn't exactly fill me with hope. As an added bonus - if he decides to come to us, he's experiencing a fire sale situation again anyway, as Stones, Lukaku and probably more are likely on their way out, as well as old players out of contract etc. In a situation like that I'd like someone who won't eff off in a year's time like...

Of course not, but I'd say the league has changed for ~13 years though, wouldn't you?

Plus define extremely well - they were very competitive and near the top, yes, but weren't Mourinho's Chelsea. Ranieri built a good team that should be winning titles, but failed to win a single one... then went on to do not much for several years, until winning the league here in his first attempt.


Overall: I just don't get it. If we were offered Mourinho circa 2004 somehow, fresh out of winning everything with Porto, people would probably still say "nah, no experience in the Prem, swerve". Baffles me.

Yes, it has changed, but four years is still a long time and Ranieri had the experience, even if it was 11 years since he had managed in the Prem. You can't shake that off.

And no, it's not that. As you rightly said, the state of the league was different 11 years ago and I don't think then experience of the league was as important as it is now, with the pace and intensity now so much higher than any other European league.

We're not in Europe next season, and we need to improve our league standing. If we can get a manager who has two years experience doing very well in the league with a squad less talented than ours, playing a similar style that can build on the good things Martinez started, then that would be the best choice to make at this stage...

 

[BlueToff]

What about Pellegrini, wasn't he on your list before?

Think Milan are in for him mate, given their takeover hasn't collapsed

 

[DualityNSNO]

Does anyone really give a toss about the Europa?

Its nice to win obviously and the fans enjoy some nice away days but I honestly dont think the players or managers care at all.

Then does anyone really care about the League Cup or the FA Cup? Bet the fans find it nice to win, but why would anyone else be arsed with the possibility of a title?

???

 

[DualityNSNO]

Yes, it has changed, but four years is still a long time and Ranieri had the experience, even if it was 11 years since he had managed in the Prem. You can't shake that off.

And no, it's not that. As you rightly said, the state of the league was different 11 years ago and I don't think then experience of the league was as important as it is now, with the pace and intensity now so much higher than any other European league.

We're not in Europe next season, and we need to improve our league standing. If we can get a manager who has two years experience doing very well in the league with a squad less talented than ours, playing a similar style that can build on the good things Martinez started, then that would be the best choice to make at this stage...

I can't agree about pace and intensity - fairly sure a team like Atletico (and most 'top tier' German teams) would molest any English team out there.

About the rest - hard to disagree, but how can a manager who's won 4 titles on the bounce and kept his team as one of the best in the country (also known for said pragmatic approach) not be a good, if not better, choice?

 

[GlosBlue]

As others have said - I think Frank De Boer is a longer term project than Koeman.

In what respect? Because he is 8 years younger? Unless you expect a 20 year stint at the helm I think either is capable of a long term project given the chance. I just have reservations about De Boer's lack of experience in a decent league. And he looks like the type of manager that'll upsticks as soon as a 'big' club comes knocking. (Not that Koeman won't if he does that to Southampton to come to us!)