Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
Yup. My Dad and uncles are Saints fans. When he was there they were talking about rumours of bullying etc, especially of the younger homegrown players.
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Ross Barkley joins Chelsea, er, Villa on loan
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Yup. My Dad and uncles are Saints fans. When he was there they were talking about rumours of bullying etc, especially of the younger homegrown players.
Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
Ross is a huge talent. Instead of calling him a rat we should be looking at why our own club can't keep the genuine talents it produces. First Rooney, then Ross. Hopefully the new regime in place will give us the ability to put a stop to local talent drain.
lol at the Koeman bullied him out.
Behave.
The club, including Koeman knew Barkley was leaving.
He refused contracts under Martinez and it continued under Koeman. Initially all Koeman did was talk him up, I knew he was off though the moment Koeman said Barkley wants champions league and it's up to the club to match his ambitions.
It was only very late on the line hardened, but the writing was on the wall then.
I maintain he's not good enough to be a regular starter for a top club.
He didn't have the mentality/ability to consistently perform to try and take a club like Everton to another level either.
Time will show it. Currently, his team are doing amazingly well with his PR - he's done sod all really.
Behave.
The club, including Koeman knew Barkley was leaving.
He refused contracts under Martinez and it continued under Koeman. Initially all Koeman did was talk him up, I knew he was off though the moment Koeman said Barkley wants champions league and it's up to the club to match his ambitions.
It was only very late on the line hardened, but the writing was on the wall then.
I maintain he's not good enough to be a regular starter for a top club.
He didn't have the mentality/ability to consistently perform to try and take a club like Everton to another level either.
Time will show it. Currently, his team are doing amazingly well with his PR - he's done sod all really.
I can agree with all that.
And I will go along with the notion that Koeman’s arrogant, bullying ways probably played a role in the disenchantment he felt toward the end of his time here.
Up until I remember that he pulled the plug on his original deal and cost my club, your club, £15 to £20 million, if what we believe to be the case is what actually happened.
And nowt we have heard since debunks that belief.
That it was a sound financial move on his behalf as he probably pocketed a huge wedge cuts no ice with me because beyond what he did playing for Everton is of absolutely no concern to me, nor should it be to any Evertonian.
And as I take any wrong or injury or insult to EFC very much to heart I despise the fellow and will heartily boo the bugger when he rocks up to Goodison in a Chelsea shirt.
And I make no apologies for this......none at all
Honestly they make it up as they go along, Barkley wanted to go and as a lot on here have said, if he'd have left at first and we got the £35m , I for one would not have had anything bad to say about him. It's the way he left that wrankles. Not a fan of Koeman either.
Steve0
Player Valuation: £35m
Basically this.
He was awful when he came on against United.
Good game against a Burnley side that's shot their bolt but in all honesty hes still the same flatter to deceive player he was when he was here.
Every single person involved shares the blame in him leaving.
Barkley shafted us out of a market rate fee.
Koeman continually chatted wham.
Martinez continually chatted wham.
Barkleys agent, same fella stones had, was clearly intent on making a deal happen for his own personal gain.
The custodians of the club as a whole have not ran the club in a manner befitting of Everton owners. Success was not sought hard enough and we merely existed rather than existed to win.
Barkley was content to go along with a no doubt agent driven agenda which showed little respect for a club which helped him recover from a career threatening injury, to become an international footballer.
Good player who we could have done with keeping. But there's no loyalty in footballers these days and we all need to accept that even though it riles me. We've lost players before and survived and will do so again. Far better players than Ross Barkley.
Barkley shafted us out of a market rate fee.
Koeman continually chatted wham.
Martinez continually chatted wham.
Barkleys agent, same fella stones had, was clearly intent on making a deal happen for his own personal gain.
The custodians of the club as a whole have not ran the club in a manner befitting of Everton owners. Success was not sought hard enough and we merely existed rather than existed to win.
Barkley was content to go along with a no doubt agent driven agenda which showed little respect for a club which helped him recover from a career threatening injury, to become an international footballer.
Good player who we could have done with keeping. But there's no loyalty in footballers these days and we all need to accept that even though it riles me. We've lost players before and survived and will do so again. Far better players than Ross Barkley.
Encoder
Player Valuation: £35m
I think Barkley/his agent is the only reason to be honest. Doesn't bother me too much these days but it does kind of make me sad that our most talented homegrown lad in years wanted to feck us off rather than try and bring us to the next level himself.
allezlesbleus
Player Valuation: £35m
I think we know why....... We do not play in the CL so players who get the chance to play in a CL team jump ship to one of them usually at the first time of asking unless the club stands very firm. So far that process has only delayed the outcome of the players moving on, not prevented it. CL footy carries more glory for them and Cl clubs pay better money. Their agents will always agitate for a move any way since that is money in for them. Our challenge is to get regularly into the CL for which there are only 4 places in a division where 6 strong clubs are already ahead of us on a regular basis and are a much better bet for CL football having had lots of recent experience of it. Even two of them miss out each season atm!! It is quite a challenge!
Showing a bit more hunger for winning our domestic cups might help but the lure of the CL seems massive, even for lads who are locals brought up as Blues. And in fairness the way Barkley left was pretty poor with his long term radio silence when he had clearly made up his mind to go months before he did. The on-off bit to lower the fee to Everton was adding insult to injury. Each player probably has an additional personal twist to the desire to move or seeks to find excuses to justify their decision but I think the principal reason is the CL and all it brings with it.
Carl O'Ancelotti
Player Valuation: £20m
Yes but pleading with him to sign a new contract is the same as bullying him out of the club........................
...........if you have an agenda.
This is my name
Player Valuation: £950k
Despise koeman for the wreck he left the club in but it’s not his fault Barkley left and it’s not his fault Barkley ratted the club out of £20 million. Never wish for a player to get injured and have their career ruined but if the bubble does burst for him and he’s rodwell’d his career, which I suspect he will do, and eventually floats down the league I will be somewhat pleased.
Horrible little snake.
Horrible little snake.
Think most agree with you mate.
Barkley wanted off and was always seeing out his contract. The club tried to prevent it, failed. We aren't the first and certainly wont be the last. As much as I'd like to blame the club, they had no chance here IMO - the lad had a contract on the table under Martinez, Koeman, Unsworth, and Allardyce. Every single one talked him up, but then the club has to come first.
Martinez
Koeman I linked his quotes earlier. "We're going in a good direction and he is a key player, he is a kid of the club, a kid of the town and in my opinion, there is no better place for him to continue. "I think the way he is improving this season, Everton is the best place for him to continue."
Unsworth:
Allardyce;
If Nicky Barmby, Joleon Lescott, Wayne Rooney, Nick Barmby etc are judas rats, then all considered, Barkley tops them all - he set his stall out (rejected his contract) at a time of massive optimism - like never seen before at the club and mainly because of the manner in which he engineered his move.
I appreciate why some fans will blag themselves that he was bullied out the club by the evil boardroom or manager or whatever, but it's absolute nonsense.
To add, if you want to blame the club over the player, blame them for not taking a hardened line much sooner.
He should have been frozen out completely with 18 months left, a case of "sign the contract, or be sold. If neither, you rot away from the first team for 18 months".
He should have been frozen out completely with 18 months left, a case of "sign the contract, or be sold. If neither, you rot away from the first team for 18 months".
Absolutely correct, much as I loved him as a player for us, the writing was on the wall, we as a club should have acted much earlier, instead of becoming Chelsea's recuperation centre, Courtesy of Ross a d his lovely agent.
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