Ross Barkley

[BoysInBlue]

The reason it doesn't make sense mate is that you're not getting all the information involved in this situation. There's missing parts to the puzzle that only Moyes and a few others know.

Exactly. Moyes sees the lad in training every day. He knows where the lads' maturity is at. He's still only 18 years old.

To me, it makes perfect sense the way Moyes has handled him, and taken him out of the line of fire after his performances dipped. In the times since when he's played for the reserves, he hasn't stood out too many times. Going out on loan and playing at a lower level so that he gains more confidence and experience (as Coleman, Duffy & Osman did) can only help the lads. I think Moyes has handled this extremely well. He's clearly learnt from the way Rodwell didn't progress.

 

[Darren Lyons]

That tarabat played a full season in the championship with qpr so if anyone would be getting a kicking it would be him. I think Ross will survive and come back a better player for it.

 

[davek]

There are plenty of flair players in the championship now in the past few years that haven't been on the end of a reducer that ruined their career.

Wifred Zaha for Palace springs to mind. All step overs and flair, gets a kicking, but he's not been axed and suffered career ending injuries.

It's a bit snobbish to say the championship is full of tough tackling louts. It's a tough league with very good footballing teams that's got less physical, big, strong athletic players than the premiership.

You learn by playing games. Barkley needs games and the less he players, the slower he develops.

Even if that were true, there's still other considerations: the matter of whether it's right in all cases to send a player down to that level (obviously not, otherwise we'd always have it happening - I think Moyes lives in a world where every player going down a level will always turn out better, just like his oft-quoted example of Beckham to Bury); logistically, it makes no sense now we're short on numbers; and, let's face it, where Everton are concerned it's never a purely footballing decision - there's always also a financial consideration in terms of getting players partially off the wage bill for a few months.

At the very least, any decision to loan Barkley to a Championship club is debatable.

 

[Aberblue]

There are plenty of flair players in the championship now in the past few years that haven't been on the end of a reducer that ruined their career.

Wifred Zaha for Palace springs to mind. All step overs and flair, gets a kicking, but he's not been axed and suffered career ending injuries. It's a bit snobbish to say the championship is full of tough tackling louts. It's a tough league with very good footballing teams that's got less physical, big, strong athletic players than the premiership.

You learn by playing games. Barkley needs games and the less he players, the slower he develops.

You can get serious injuries in the Prem. Look at Aaron Ramsey, for example. He hasn't been the same player since Shawcross broke his leg.

 

[Moomin]

The last championship match I saw was brutal, I just turned it over and the crowd was dead silent. All the players were out cold on the pitch, with bikes smashed up and on fire on the pitch.

The only player standing looked like a young James Caan, when he scored the crowd chanted his name. I think it may have been Hull.

 

[Walken]

the best thing for him is to get away from moyes and stubbs for a bit, get his confidence back, like he looked like he was doing with england, then he returned to everton and he looks shot again within a few weeks.

but of course moyes sees him in training everyday, which means no one else is allowed an opinion, and that rusty balls opinion is always right and musnt ever be questioned

 

[Neiler]

Good move for the lad, week in week out football is what he needs, be intresting to see what he does at that level.

Dave Jones is a massive blue a good manager and will look after him well.

 

[Azzurri]

Guess what? Football is a contact sport.

If he can't deal with a few tackles then he may as well pack up and start signing on now.

 

[BoysInBlue]

logistically, it makes no sense now we're short on numbers; and, let's face it, where Everton are concerned it's never a purely footballing decision - there's always also a financial consideration in terms of getting players partially off the wage bill for a few months. At the very least, any decision to loan Barkley to a Championship club is debatable.

You talk about numbers, but that's just an excuse without any merit. He didn't go out on loan last season and didn't feature for the first team for the rest of the season, bar a cameo or two. What makes you think he would this season? At best he'd be bench warming.

For our midfield (including wide players) we have Fellaini, Osman, Naismith, Mirallas, Gibson, Pienaar, Neville, Oviedo, Coleman, Gueye, plus Heitinga and Anichebe at a push. That's 12 (TWELVE!) players who are more likely to see midfield action than Barkley at this point.

I don't think him going out on loan is debatable at all - it's an absolute no-brainer for the future development of the lad, and can do him only good.

 

[Blue_Berry]

Moyes has handled this situation all wrong. He had faith in him enough early last season to give him a few starts and it was repaid. Then he took him out of the first team, never to be seen again there after looking a bit iffy in a game. Now he's punting him on loan at a time when we have an even more wafer thin squad than last season. None of it makes sense.

I'm with you here mate, and even though the chance Barkley got back then was because we were really cut down to the bare bones and having to play the reserves, he was instantly more exciting, positive and attack-minded than just about anything else we were seeing given the full squad. Ok, so he may not be the finished article, and was infamously found out in that naive defensive play to give the penalty away, but overall for me the positives of that cameo far outweighed the negatives. Give him game time at this level (like Walcott, Ramsey, Wilshire, Bale and a host of others got, and like Sterling now gets for the RS - and for England...) and you never know, we might just realise his potential now before he either fades into the reserves or decides to find a better option.

I don't question Moyes with quite the same ferocity as you do mate, and i am prepared to recognise his professional perspective, but i really don't get how some lids on here faithfully trot out the 'nah, he's not good enough yet' line - he certainly did prove himself to be good 'enough' in terms of what he offered for a few games at the beginning of last season. One things for sure, we're not going to see the best of him until he gets the oxygen of confidence that comes with his manager showing belief in him and giving him a chance to show his unique talents. Not necessarily starting XI yet, but well worth a consistent run of games off the bench, IMHO.

 

[Christiffa25]

the best thing for him is to get away from moyes and stubbs for a bit, get his confidence back, like he looked like he was doing with england, then he returned to everton and he looks shot again within a few weeks.

but of course moyes sees him in training everyday, which means no one else is allowed an opinion, and that rusty balls opinion is always right and musnt ever be questioned

The best thing is for him to get away from over expectant Everton fans for a little while. He needs to learn his trade and he's not gonna make that final step here at the moment in u21 games and 10-30 mins cameo's off our bench.

 

[Jags..class]

God some of you need to get a grip, expecting him to turn into Messi in the championship and all the defenders will want to break his leg, lol.

It done wonders for Wilshire and didnt he get injured in the premiership, This is a game of contact sport and Barkley needs to games to see if he can take the next level up, he not tearing up the reserves, i'm suprised he going with the lack of bodies to be honest, would rather keep him but only if he going to play, if not then get him a team who will play him.

 

[davek]

I'm with you here mate, and even though the chance Barkley got back then was because we were really cut down to the bare bones and having to play the reserves, he was instantly more exciting, positive and attack-minded than just about anything else we were seeing given the full squad. Ok, so he may not be the finished article, and was infamously found out in that naive defensive play to give the penalty away, but overall for me the positives of that cameo far outweighed the negatives. Give him game time at this level (like Walcott, Ramsey, Wilshire, Bale and a host of others got, and like Sterling now gets for the RS - and for England...) and you never know, we might just realise his potential now before he either fades into the reserves or decides to find a better option.

I don't question Moyes with quite the same ferocity as you do mate, and i am prepared to recognise his professional perspective, but i really don't get how some lids on here faithfully trot out the 'nah, he's not good enough yet' line - he certainly did prove himself to be good 'enough' in terms of what he offered for a few games at the beginning of last season. One things for sure, we're not going to see the best of him until he gets the oxygen of confidence that comes with his manager showing belief in him and giving him a chance to show his unique talents. Not necessarily starting XI yet, but well worth a consistent run of games off the bench, IMHO.

Spot on mate. That's the crucial point. I'm sure Barkley knows Moyes rates him, but there's a world of difference between fine words and adequate game time. The weight of the matter is that we're a club that is perfectly placed to introduce youngsters into the first team for an extended run, especially toward the end of a season when we're going for either 7th or 8th place and nothing more or less is at stake. They've been times when Moyes has had the possibility to test fringe players but seldom has (he's more obsessed with finishing 7th rather than 8th and plods on with the established first team - play neville or Barkley in a series of meaningless end of season games? Moyes will play Neville every time).

Bottom line is you dont send a class 1 racehorse down a level to compete in handicap races against the old nags.

 

[Jags..class]

Spot on mate. That's the crucial point. I'm sure Barkley knows Moyes rates him, but there's a world of difference between fine words and adequate game time. The weight of the matter is that we're a club that is perfectly placed to introduce youngsters into the first team for an extended run, especially toward the end of a season when we're going for either 7th or 8th place and nothing more or less is at stake. They've been times when Moyes has had the possibility to test fringe players but seldom has (he's more obsessed with finishing 7th rather than 8th and plods on with the established first team - play neville or Barkley in a series of meaningless end of season games? Moyes will play Neville every time).

Bottom line is you dont send a class 1 racehorse down a level to compete in handicap races against the old nags.

Is he deffo going, cant see nothing on EFC site

 

[davek]

Is he deffo going, cant see nothing on EFC site

Looks likely given Moyes words on the subject. Maybe he's been waiting to get the internationals out the way to examine any injuries before giving the move to Sheffield the green light?