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Agree with all of that, but 60 million is a title pushing amount if spent wise.

We dont need to sell to survive, but to kick on we may need to sell when the offer is silly.
60M isn't even close to a title pushing amount. Look at Liverpool or even Utd this season.

Alexis Sanchez cost 48M alone and if we sold Ross we wouldn't even be able to attract a player like that never mind be able to afford him.

However it would be a huge step towards a new stadium which would be almost as important long term to winning a title.
 
60 mill up front, yeh why not. So long as it's invested as well as Southampton have invested their summer money in your tadic's and pelle's, however look at spurs/liverpool and maybe you say no.

Chelsea/Man City/United (they will get it back together eventually) are billionaires. Even Arsenal and the RS simply have too much money for one good sale price to bridge that gap. A sale like Barkley maybe gets us up to Spurs (not Bale money just their normal money) level of spend for a year or two. Spurs FFS! For selling a once in a generation talent!

You're essentially looking at 11 games into a season for Southampton v. every other "selling" club in the Prem over the last 15 odd-years and actually considering the 11 game sample over the 1000+ game sample of all the selling clubs??!?!?!

The "best" example of sell-to-buy you would have as a non-Everton fan (aside from the 11 games of Southampton) is Everton selling Rooney. We sold him and "as a result" were the the only "poor" club to crack the top four in recent Prem history. It's the "best" example ... and most of us think we got ripped off with that deal ... not to mention despite some good seasons we haven't been back since.

Spurs also cracked the top four but they have more money and landed an exceptional world class talent (which is a better case for keeping Barkers than selling him). Aside from that? Nobody. No club has managed to sell their way into the CL (via the Prem) in a long time. So why do people still suggest it as a good strategy? Because we're so close? But we're close because we have NOT sold many of our best players. Baines stayed. Jags stayed. We sold Rodwell and Fellaini (even Arteta) but they weren't our best by a long-shot. Teams like Newcastle et al who pretend they are on our level are not actually on our level because they can't keep their Baines and Jags.

We'd get better if we could sell Barkley and get two Barkleys. But what are the odds of that? We won't get significantly better by selling Barkley and getting four players who are on par with our current players. And that would actually be a FANTASTIC bit of business ... and it wouldn't help that much! We'd have a much deeper squad (which would help a bit) but no upgrade in best 11 quality. Look at Arsenal last year -- we almost caught them because once they lost their best 11 they had a squad which (while really good) wasn't as good as our best 11. Best 11 quality is what will get us over the hump. You need a deep squad to play in the CL... but you need a great first 11 to make the CL. We can't afford both and we aren't already in the CL. Exceptional talent takes enough of those draws into wins to get you the CL.

Spurs/RS recently aren't just good examples of selling causing problems. They are great examples of how exceptional talent on just 1 of your 11 can make such a big difference.

Now obviously if you think Barkley won't work out then you'd want to sell. Sure. But how the hell could you know that?

Southampton will lose those players soon too if they continue playing well. They have established they are a selling club. The RS will come calling again (or Spurs, Man U etc.). They'll sell and the odds will catch up with them: they will make some poor or even just average buys and fall back down. It will also hurt the buying teams too because they will overpay. Everything about this benefits us ... as long as we can stay out of it.

It doesn't work in the Prem. We're not Porto. Porto couldn't be Porto if they were in the Prem.

As vomit inducing as it is ... the RS did well to keep Gerrard and it helped them a great deal to have a player (relatively) loyal to the club as a leader. Barkley could be (should be) better than Gerrard so imagine what we can do if we keep him. Not for sale. Not for 60m. It won't make us better than keeping him.
 
probably means he will play against jockland and get less rest, with that phoney hardman brown trying to snide him
Typical of Hodgson to bring on Milner rather than Barkley for the last 10 minutes with the game already won. He doesn't trust him any more than Moyes did. Two negative, conservative managers.
 
Typical of Hodgson to bring on Milner rather than Barkley for the last 10 minutes with the game already won. He doesn't trust him any more than Moyes did. Two negative, conservative managers.
yep remember him slating barkley after he lit the game up and had over a 90% pass completion, henderson had 65% tonight and scored an oggy, but he runs about alot and doesn't try anything creative so he must be a safe option, english football in a nutshell
 
No I would not sell Ross for 60m. Or even 100m. Unless he was pushing for it.

If Barkley was serious about trying to become an Everton legend that is exactly the type of player I want to build around. If he wants to stay at Everton, well how often do you have a local lad with bags of potential come through that won't dry hump the next big club to offer him a bigger pay day?

Lukaku, Barkley, Stones, and McCarthy can be the young core of a team that will consistently push for a top 4 place for a long time. For me, Everton should add to that core, not break it up hoping to form a new one.
 
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Chelsea/Man City/United (they will get it back together eventually) are billionaires. Even Arsenal and the RS simply have too much money for one good sale price to bridge that gap. A sale like Barkley maybe gets us up to Spurs (not Bale money just their normal money) level of spend for a year or two. Spurs FFS! For selling a once in a generation talent!

You're essentially looking at 11 games into a season for Southampton v. every other "selling" club in the Prem over the last 15 odd-years and actually considering the 11 game sample over the 1000+ game sample of all the selling clubs??!?!?!

The "best" example of sell-to-buy you would have as a non-Everton fan (aside from the 11 games of Southampton) is Everton selling Rooney. We sold him and "as a result" were the the only "poor" club to crack the top four in recent Prem history. It's the "best" example ... and most of us think we got ripped off with that deal ... not to mention despite some good seasons we haven't been back since.

Spurs also cracked the top four but they have more money and landed an exceptional world class talent (which is a better case for keeping Barkers than selling him). Aside from that? Nobody. No club has managed to sell their way into the CL (via the Prem) in a long time. So why do people still suggest it as a good strategy? Because we're so close? But we're close because we have NOT sold many of our best players. Baines stayed. Jags stayed. We sold Rodwell and Fellaini (even Arteta) but they weren't our best by a long-shot. Teams like Newcastle et al who pretend they are on our level are not actually on our level because they can't keep their Baines and Jags.

We'd get better if we could sell Barkley and get two Barkleys. But what are the odds of that? We won't get significantly better by selling Barkley and getting four players who are on par with our current players. And that would actually be a FANTASTIC bit of business ... and it wouldn't help that much! We'd have a much deeper squad (which would help a bit) but no upgrade in best 11 quality. Look at Arsenal last year -- we almost caught them because once they lost their best 11 they had a squad which (while really good) wasn't as good as our best 11. Best 11 quality is what will get us over the hump. You need a deep squad to play in the CL... but you need a great first 11 to make the CL. We can't afford both and we aren't already in the CL. Exceptional talent takes enough of those draws into wins to get you the CL.

Spurs/RS recently aren't just good examples of selling causing problems. They are great examples of how exceptional talent on just 1 of your 11 can make such a big difference.

Now obviously if you think Barkley won't work out then you'd want to sell. Sure. But how the hell could you know that?

Southampton will lose those players soon too if they continue playing well. They have established they are a selling club. The RS will come calling again (or Spurs, Man U etc.). They'll sell and the odds will catch up with them: they will make some poor or even just average buys and fall back down. It will also hurt the buying teams too because they will overpay. Everything about this benefits us ... as long as we can stay out of it.

It doesn't work in the Prem. We're not Porto. Porto couldn't be Porto if they were in the Prem.

As vomit inducing as it is ... the RS did well to keep Gerrard and it helped them a great deal to have a player (relatively) loyal to the club as a leader. Barkley could be (should be) better than Gerrard so imagine what we can do if we keep him. Not for sale. Not for 60m. It won't make us better than keeping him.


Absolutely brilliant comment.
 
Agree with all of that, but 60 million is a title pushing amount if spent wise.

We dont need to sell to survive, but to kick on we may need to sell when the offer is silly.
Lol, the manager would only see 4/5 million of that, certainly not an amount to build a title threatening side ?????
 
Martinez on Barkley: "There is no doubt in my mind he will be the best player England has ever had."
Tbh wish Martinez would not put pressure like that on him.

More details of what he said here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...me-claims-Roberto-Martinez.html#ixzz3JBfOB2VR

'There is no doubt in my mind he will be the best player England has ever had,' Martinez told the audience at the Titanic Hotel in Liverpool. 'Ross has everything. Normally a player has the pace and power to get around the pitch or they have the vision to pick a pass. 'Ross can do both of those things, and he is technically gifted with both feet. Not only that, he is in love with the game.'

Manchester City would love Barkley at The Etihad but it would cost them a British record £60million with Everton under no financial pressure to sell. Martinez added: 'He will probably be the biggest asset Everton have ever had' though he was referring to his qualities as a player rather than his valuation.
 

Can't help but feel there's far too much pressure being put on him, but Martinez knows him better than me. He must be the kind who strives from the pressure otherwise Martinez Surrey wouldn't do it.

But every time he comes on there is huge expectation on him to do something outstanding and that must have an impact on him.
 
Chelsea/Man City/United (they will get it back together eventually) are billionaires. Even Arsenal and the RS simply have too much money for one good sale price to bridge that gap. A sale like Barkley maybe gets us up to Spurs (not Bale money just their normal money) level of spend for a year or two. Spurs FFS! For selling a once in a generation talent!

You're essentially looking at 11 games into a season for Southampton v. every other "selling" club in the Prem over the last 15 odd-years and actually considering the 11 game sample over the 1000+ game sample of all the selling clubs??!?!?!

The "best" example of sell-to-buy you would have as a non-Everton fan (aside from the 11 games of Southampton) is Everton selling Rooney. We sold him and "as a result" were the the only "poor" club to crack the top four in recent Prem history. It's the "best" example ... and most of us think we got ripped off with that deal ... not to mention despite some good seasons we haven't been back since.

Spurs also cracked the top four but they have more money and landed an exceptional world class talent (which is a better case for keeping Barkers than selling him). Aside from that? Nobody. No club has managed to sell their way into the CL (via the Prem) in a long time. So why do people still suggest it as a good strategy? Because we're so close? But we're close because we have NOT sold many of our best players. Baines stayed. Jags stayed. We sold Rodwell and Fellaini (even Arteta) but they weren't our best by a long-shot. Teams like Newcastle et al who pretend they are on our level are not actually on our level because they can't keep their Baines and Jags.

We'd get better if we could sell Barkley and get two Barkleys. But what are the odds of that? We won't get significantly better by selling Barkley and getting four players who are on par with our current players. And that would actually be a FANTASTIC bit of business ... and it wouldn't help that much! We'd have a much deeper squad (which would help a bit) but no upgrade in best 11 quality. Look at Arsenal last year -- we almost caught them because once they lost their best 11 they had a squad which (while really good) wasn't as good as our best 11. Best 11 quality is what will get us over the hump. You need a deep squad to play in the CL... but you need a great first 11 to make the CL. We can't afford both and we aren't already in the CL. Exceptional talent takes enough of those draws into wins to get you the CL.

Spurs/RS recently aren't just good examples of selling causing problems. They are great examples of how exceptional talent on just 1 of your 11 can make such a big difference.

Now obviously if you think Barkley won't work out then you'd want to sell. Sure. But how the hell could you know that?

Southampton will lose those players soon too if they continue playing well. They have established they are a selling club. The RS will come calling again (or Spurs, Man U etc.). They'll sell and the odds will catch up with them: they will make some poor or even just average buys and fall back down. It will also hurt the buying teams too because they will overpay. Everything about this benefits us ... as long as we can stay out of it.

It doesn't work in the Prem. We're not Porto. Porto couldn't be Porto if they were in the Prem.

As vomit inducing as it is ... the RS did well to keep Gerrard and it helped them a great deal to have a player (relatively) loyal to the club as a leader. Barkley could be (should be) better than Gerrard so imagine what we can do if we keep him. Not for sale. Not for 60m. It won't make us better than keeping him.
Perfect
 
If we got £60 million I'd like to see it invested in the fans rather than the team.

Expand the stadium, lower the price.

Buy Fred Adu.

Allez allez.
 

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