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Ross Barkley

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njligernj said:
Chelsea/Man City/United (they will get it back together eventually) are billionaires. Even Arsenal and the RS simply have too much money for one good sale price to bridge that gap. A sale like Barkley maybe gets us up to Spurs (not Bale money just their normal money) level of spend for a year or two. Spurs FFS! For selling a once in a generation talent!

You're essentially looking at 11 games into a season for Southampton v. every other "selling" club in the Prem over the last 15 odd-years and actually considering the 11 game sample over the 1000+ game sample of all the selling clubs??!?!?!

The "best" example of sell-to-buy you would have as a non-Everton fan (aside from the 11 games of Southampton) is Everton selling Rooney. We sold him and "as a result" were the the only "poor" club to crack the top four in recent Prem history. It's the "best" example ... and most of us think we got ripped off with that deal ... not to mention despite some good seasons we haven't been back since.

Spurs also cracked the top four but they have more money and landed an exceptional world class talent (which is a better case for keeping Barkers than selling him). Aside from that? Nobody. No club has managed to sell their way into the CL (via the Prem) in a long time. So why do people still suggest it as a good strategy? Because we're so close? But we're close because we have NOT sold many of our best players. Baines stayed. Jags stayed. We sold Rodwell and Fellaini (even Arteta) but they weren't our best by a long-shot. Teams like Newcastle et al who pretend they are on our level are not actually on our level because they can't keep their Baines and Jags.

We'd get better if we could sell Barkley and get two Barkleys. But what are the odds of that? We won't get significantly better by selling Barkley and getting four players who are on par with our current players. And that would actually be a FANTASTIC bit of business ... and it wouldn't help that much! We'd have a much deeper squad (which would help a bit) but no upgrade in best 11 quality. Look at Arsenal last year -- we almost caught them because once they lost their best 11 they had a squad which (while really good) wasn't as good as our best 11. Best 11 quality is what will get us over the hump. You need a deep squad to play in the CL... but you need a great first 11 to make the CL. We can't afford both and we aren't already in the CL. Exceptional talent takes enough of those draws into wins to get you the CL.

Spurs/RS recently aren't just good examples of selling causing problems. They are great examples of how exceptional talent on just 1 of your 11 can make such a big difference.

Now obviously if you think Barkley won't work out then you'd want to sell. Sure. But how the hell could you know that?

Southampton will lose those players soon too if they continue playing well. They have established they are a selling club. The RS will come calling again (or Spurs, Man U etc.). They'll sell and the odds will catch up with them: they will make some poor or even just average buys and fall back down. It will also hurt the buying teams too because they will overpay. Everything about this benefits us ... as long as we can stay out of it.

It doesn't work in the Prem. We're not Porto. Porto couldn't be Porto if they were in the Prem.

As vomit inducing as it is ... the RS did well to keep Gerrard and it helped them a great deal to have a player (relatively) loyal to the club as a leader. Barkley could be (should be) better than Gerrard so imagine what we can do if we keep him. Not for sale. Not for 60m. It won't make us better than keeping him.
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Great this. Will use it in the pub tomorrow but with more swear words.

Love you Everton. You meffs.
 

Honestly, i wasnt enough of a football fan to know about Rooney being sold in 2002, or 3 or whenever it was

But this is annoying---F off Che, MC, or MU----go produce your own talents- let us keep ours

The media wants him to leave-i swear to god
 

njligernj said:
Chelsea/Man City/United (they will get it back together eventually) are billionaires. Even Arsenal and the RS simply have too much money for one good sale price to bridge that gap. A sale like Barkley maybe gets us up to Spurs (not Bale money just their normal money) level of spend for a year or two. Spurs FFS! For selling a once in a generation talent!

You're essentially looking at 11 games into a season for Southampton v. every other "selling" club in the Prem over the last 15 odd-years and actually considering the 11 game sample over the 1000+ game sample of all the selling clubs??!?!?!

The "best" example of sell-to-buy you would have as a non-Everton fan (aside from the 11 games of Southampton) is Everton selling Rooney. We sold him and "as a result" were the the only "poor" club to crack the top four in recent Prem history. It's the "best" example ... and most of us think we got ripped off with that deal ... not to mention despite some good seasons we haven't been back since.

Spurs also cracked the top four but they have more money and landed an exceptional world class talent (which is a better case for keeping Barkers than selling him). Aside from that? Nobody. No club has managed to sell their way into the CL (via the Prem) in a long time. So why do people still suggest it as a good strategy? Because we're so close? But we're close because we have NOT sold many of our best players. Baines stayed. Jags stayed. We sold Rodwell and Fellaini (even Arteta) but they weren't our best by a long-shot. Teams like Newcastle et al who pretend they are on our level are not actually on our level because they can't keep their Baines and Jags.

We'd get better if we could sell Barkley and get two Barkleys. But what are the odds of that? We won't get significantly better by selling Barkley and getting four players who are on par with our current players. And that would actually be a FANTASTIC bit of business ... and it wouldn't help that much! We'd have a much deeper squad (which would help a bit) but no upgrade in best 11 quality. Look at Arsenal last year -- we almost caught them because once they lost their best 11 they had a squad which (while really good) wasn't as good as our best 11. Best 11 quality is what will get us over the hump. You need a deep squad to play in the CL... but you need a great first 11 to make the CL. We can't afford both and we aren't already in the CL. Exceptional talent takes enough of those draws into wins to get you the CL.

Spurs/RS recently aren't just good examples of selling causing problems. They are great examples of how exceptional talent on just 1 of your 11 can make such a big difference.

Now obviously if you think Barkley won't work out then you'd want to sell. Sure. But how the hell could you know that?

Southampton will lose those players soon too if they continue playing well. They have established they are a selling club. The RS will come calling again (or Spurs, Man U etc.). They'll sell and the odds will catch up with them: they will make some poor or even just average buys and fall back down. It will also hurt the buying teams too because they will overpay. Everything about this benefits us ... as long as we can stay out of it.

It doesn't work in the Prem. We're not Porto. Porto couldn't be Porto if they were in the Prem.

As vomit inducing as it is ... the RS did well to keep Gerrard and it helped them a great deal to have a player (relatively) loyal to the club as a leader. Barkley could be (should be) better than Gerrard so imagine what we can do if we keep him. Not for sale. Not for 60m. It won't make us better than keeping him.
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Amen to that.
 
TheFinnFan said:
The fact is we couldn't replace him no matter what the price.
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i dont know

right now hes not even close to bale or suarez level in terms of productivity. i think we all want to see him reaching that level with us.

right now though, i think if we got enough we could improve the team

would be a massive blow to let him go without him getting anywhere near his potential though, would be gutting. dont want that.
 

moyeslovechild said:
i dont know

right now hes not even close to bale or suarez level in terms of productivity. i think we all want to see him reaching that level with us.

right now though, i think if we got enough we could improve the team

would be a massive blow to let him go without him getting anywhere near his potential though, would be gutting. dont want that.
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Im not saying that hes as good as them atm. I just ment that his importance to us could very well be compared to those cases
 
The only reason we should sell Barkley is if he knocks on the manager's door and says that he doesn't want to sign a new contract and that he wants to leave. £60m, £70m, £80m. No. I'd rather keep him.
 
Baines' left foot said:
The only reason we should sell Barkley is if he knocks on the manager's door and says that he doesn't want to sign a new contract and that he wants to leave. £60m, £70m, £80m. No. I'd rather keep him.
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If that happens we will be lucky to get half of that really. Wont let his contract run and lose him for nothing so will be forced to sell to get something for him.
 

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