Ross Barkley

[Steve Wigan]

Hope he leaves, gets playing in a team that plays him in a natural posistion and play proper modern day tactics.

Watch him ripping it up most weeks, whilst turning into the top class player he's destined to become....

And laugh at all the Morons on here that have pretty much written him off and would rather get on his back than bare with him. Moaning that we couldn't keep him!!

I think you'll find its not really fitting to use the word 'moron' to describe posters who simply disagree with you. We all hope Ross 'makes it' but we cannot wait forever, to the detriment of Everton, which is far more important than any player.

 

[Kiwi]

He is so frustrating. I like most think he has the ability but somewhere deep inside I don’t think he has the football brain or desire to fulfil his potential.
I’ve said this before so forgive me for repeating myself he doesn’t or can’t tackle, doesn’t win or can’t head a ball and the most worrying but I’ll put this down to age makes a great run but doesn’t appear to see the final pass, lacks vision. The last may come with time but the others he should have been learnt by now.
It may be that he’s playing under orders to do certain things or play a certain way but to chase an opposing player down and then leave a dangling leg without committing to a tackle will only lead to more injuries.
I want to be proved wrong by him and see him fulfil his potential but unfortunately I don’t think it will happen. Please prove me wrong Ross.

Frustrating indeed. But for a young lad lacking confidence I don't think the best tactic is to rip into him when he makes a mistake. It's counter-productive. From personal experience I've found that the best way to get the best out of someone is to be patient. Point out their mistake and ask them what they are doing wrong. Let them identify it for themselves. If performances aren't good enough you pull them aside and let them know, then support them in getting it right. It is hard to deal with the pressure to be the player the team revolves around, particularly when the team as a whole has been extremely poor.

He isn't consistent. But he isn't Alan Ball. He is 21. May turn out to be a world beater, and certainly has the tools in his bag to get there.
Ultimately you can't teach commitment. But what we as fans can do is get behind him and allow him time to get his head straight. Young players make mistakes and we need to give him grace when he does make those mistakes.
Because when he plays without fear, he is unstoppable. Who tries a first time curler from the corner of the box, or runs 70meters with the ball to lash it into the top corner? Who is surrounded by four players and yet can put a perfect ball into the box for Rom as he did last game?
Glimpses yes, but glimpses of a top player.
Get his head up, play with confidence in himself. Then we'll see Ross Barkley as he can be.

 

[blueblue]

It's part of a learning process for all young players to have dips in form and struggle with their game.

Pretending it isn't so is not going to help him. He has to learn how to gain more consistency , learn how to deal with teams that defend en bloc
and learn to deal with man markers.
I also think he needs to develop his game a bit further. He can dribble at pace with the ball , can score great goals and is not shy of working for the team , but his game lacks creativity , he is too predictable and opposition have worked out how to negate his impact. He needs to develop a more creative side to his game which will make it very difficult to stop his influence.

 

[Christiffa25]

I think you'll find its not really fitting to use the word 'moron' to describe posters who simply disagree with you. We all hope Ross 'makes it' but we cannot wait forever, to the detriment of Everton, which is far more important than any player.

If you think Ross Barkley is detrimental to everton then there's really no helping or educating you. Haha...

 

[ford_uk]

I love the lad and really want him to do well, but he shouldn't be anywhere near our starting lineup at the moment, let alone @ the Britannia

 

[MACCA75]

Hope he leaves, gets playing in a team that plays him in a natural posistion and play proper modern day tactics.

Watch him ripping it up most weeks, whilst turning into the top class player he's destined to become....

And laugh at all the Morons on here that have pretty much written him off and would rather get on his back than bare with him. Moaning that we couldn't keep him!!

So you hope he leaves just to spite some people on the internet who disagree with you? And they are the morons? Er ok.

 

[eddy]

He is a great player, huge talent, and great for Everton. The problem is we have a manager who has damaged his confidence, and not let him play to his strengths. Over a period of time ( this season) this has obviously affected him, he needs to be let loose, let him play, I would love to see him start tonight

 

[backintime1945]

He is a great player, huge talent, and great for Everton. The problem is we have a manager who has damaged his confidence, and not let him play to his strengths. Over a period of time ( this season) this has obviously affected him, he needs to be let loose, let him play, I would love to see him start tonight

Sorry but that is not the case, on present form he would not be in any starting line up in EP and in the majority of teams not even in the match day squad.
Playing Barkley is like only 10 men on the field, no worse than that it like the other team having 12 men.
I thought he was a great prospect, but the fact is he his just a average player who had a few very good games.
Which he gas dismally to follow up on, if there were any takers I would sell him tomorrow and wish him luck, unfortunately I think we are saddle with £65,000 a week wage for the next four and a half years.

 

[II McColl II]

He won't play consistently well and just generally improve his performances until Martinez stops arsing about and plays a balanced side for a consistent run of games.

At times people need to remember no matter who tended to get injured last season the main 2 always used on the left where pienaar and osman, although both come under criticism they both have an amazing knack of drawing a defenders attention due to there technical abilities and this allowed Barkley a bit more time when he did receive the ball. Then on the opposite side we more often than not had either Mirallas or Deulofeu who were stretching that side of the pitch creating space as well.

These days though no team is going to fear Naismith having the ball in a wide area and more often than not this has meant Barkley has either ended up doubled up on in the middle or gone out wide again where he is just completely ineffective. Im not using this as a direct player example but im sure had Zidane been asked to play on the wing he would not have been as effective as he was throughout his career in the middle of the pitch.

The rest of this season imo is now a write off for Barkley, the summer will show how important he is to Martinez' plans because if the side isn't built around fitting him into the middle of the pitch and finding that correct balance around him it pretty much means Martinez will have lost faith in him due to his own mistakes and arrogance regarding where he spent playing him this season.

 

[Seanjd]

Sorry but that is not the case, on present form he would not be in any starting line up in EP and in the majority of teams not even in the match day squad.
Playing Barkley is like only 10 men on the field, no worse than that it like the other team having 12 men.
I thought he was a great prospect, but the fact is he his just a average player who had a few very good games.
Which he gas dismally to follow up on, if there were any takers I would sell him tomorrow and wish him luck, unfortunately I think we are saddle with £65,000 a week wage for the next four and a half years.

Sell him tomorrow. No future at a team like Everton this lad. Over-hyped, no prospect, average at best. You only need to watch this video to see what I'm onabout.

 

[Ihaters]

He won't play consistently well and just generally improve his performances until Martinez stops arsing about and plays a balanced side for a consistent run of games.

At times people need to remember no matter who tended to get injured last season the main 2 always used on the left where pienaar and osman, although both come under criticism they both have an amazing knack of drawing a defenders attention due to there technical abilities and this allowed Barkley a bit more time when he did receive the ball. Then on the opposite side we more often than not had either Mirallas or Deulofeu who were stretching that side of the pitch creating space as well.

These days though no team is going to fear Naismith having the ball in a wide area and more often than not this has meant Barkley has either ended up doubled up on in the middle or gone out wide again where he is just completely ineffective. Im not using this as a direct player example but im sure had Zidane been asked to play on the wing he would not have been as effective as he was throughout his career in the middle of the pitch.

The rest of this season imo is now a write off for Barkley, the summer will show how important he is to Martinez' plans because if the side isn't built around fitting him into the middle of the pitch and finding that correct balance around him it pretty much means Martinez will have lost faith in him due to his own mistakes and arrogance regarding where he spent playing him this season.

Not sure you can say a manager has lost faith in a player just because he doesn't build a team around him tbf, but I agree about not putting him on the wing, and certainly the role of Osman/Pienaar.

 

[eddy]

Sorry but that is not the case, on present form he would not be in any starting line up in EP and in the majority of teams not even in the match day squad.
Playing Barkley is like only 10 men on the field, no worse than that it like the other team having 12 men.
I thought he was a great prospect, but the fact is he his just a average player who had a few very good games.
Which he gas dismally to follow up on, if there were any takers I would sell him tomorrow and wish him luck, unfortunately I think we are saddle with £65,000 a week wage for the next four and a half years.

Under any other manager he would be `incredibly phenomenal` it is that simple, poor man management has affected him badly, and its not just him, we can say the same about most of the squad

 

[robbo1957]

Frustrating indeed. But for a young lad lacking confidence I don't think the best tactic is to rip into him when he makes a mistake. It's counter-productive. From personal experience I've found that the best way to get the best out of someone is to be patient. Point out their mistake and ask them what they are doing wrong. Let them identify it for themselves. If performances aren't good enough you pull them aside and let them know, then support them in getting it right. It is hard to deal with the pressure to be the player the team revolves around, particularly when the team as a whole has been extremely poor.

He isn't consistent. But he isn't Alan Ball. He is 21. May turn out to be a world beater, and certainly has the tools in his bag to get there.
Ultimately you can't teach commitment. But what we as fans can do is get behind him and allow him time to get his head straight. Young players make mistakes and we need to give him grace when he does make those mistakes.
Because when he plays without fear, he is unstoppable. Who tries a first time curler from the corner of the box, or runs 70meters with the ball to lash it into the top corner? Who is surrounded by four players and yet can put a perfect ball into the box for Rom as he did last game?
Glimpses yes, but glimpses of a top player.
Get his head up, play with confidence in himself. Then we'll see Ross Barkley as he can be.

I don't rip into him or get on his back in fact I want him to make mistakes because by making a mistake or effort hopefully he will learn and improve. I want him to do well but as you pointed out you can't teach commitment it has to come from within and if it's not there then all we've got is potential.
What i do is watch him and yes he does make the runs but sometimes you can't lash it into the top corner but have to take another option. In fact on Sunday against Arsenal he made a run beat 2 or 3 players went for the 4th and lost the ball. The option was a pass to Lennon in the box. Hopefully any analysis they are doing with him they show things like that.
What I want to hear come from the manager is that he's told Ross to just go out and play and do his thing. Don't fill his head full of tactics give him a free role no pressure and then if it doesn't appear then there is a problem.

 

[II McColl II]

Not sure you can say a manager has lost faith in a player just because he doesn't build a team around him tbf, but I agree about not putting him on the wing, and certainly the role of Osman/Pienaar.

I think we only need to look at the way we play our games away from home and even some of the bigger games at home this season that the 3 man midfield of all defensive minded players and Barkley just randomly pushed on to the wing again would suggest that at least currently Martinez doesn't believe we are capable of playing the way we did with Barkley in the middle.

Its something ive mentioned for a while in regards to Martinez and he has very quickly in the space of a year backtracked on many of his beliefs, his way of playing and without a better way of putting it lacking a pair of bollocks downstairs to take the game to the opposition as we did so often in his first year.

He always banged on about giving youth there chance and trusting in the young players, this season he has backtracked a lot on that favouring Naismith to Barkley more often than not, Barry to Besic when Barry shouldn't have been close to the side, you could even argue with the way Distin was performing at the start of the season Browning would have been worthy of at least a game at CB and most recently the inexcusable dropping of Joel for a guy who has only saved a bit over 50% of shots hit at him this season which is horrendous.

All in all its impossible to argue that Barkley has been poor and its hard not to blame him for his performances but its difficult to look far beyond martinez without noticing where the issues all stem from.

 

[Eggs]

....still hearing lots of excuses for underperformance but I would like him to take more responsibility for this. Once he's on the pitch he needs to impact games more consistently than he has this season. It's fine putting a montage together of great moments but his team need him now and the bottom line is he's not delivering.