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Ross Barkley

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Was he even that bad today? Aside from being deserted once and giving the ball away, I thought he looked right at home. Looks as much a PL midfielder as Naismith does I reckon.
 
Tubey said:
Tom Huddlestone, Gareth Barry, Jack Wilshere... All current generation English stars who played aged 17/18 on a regular basis and benefited from it.

Paul Scholes, Steven Gerrard, Jamie Redknapp (lol)... Moving on from just English midfielders, we're seeing bright talents like Eden Hazard, Oscar, Raheem Sterling, Gareth Bale, James Milner, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain... All being used early and often.

The one thing they all have in common is playing regularly at the top level ASAP. They didn't all hit the ground running - Steven Gerrard admits his first season at Liverpool was horrible because of nerves - but they all benefited from faith shown in them and from consistent football.

If Moyes isn't going to play Barkley now, and prefer a 30 year old plus German who looks like he's here for a holiday unfortunately - or, even worse, the 35-year-old fraud we call a captain - for 90 minutes each and every week in midfield, then we may as well sell him now.

To be perfectly honest, if I were Ross, I'd be handing in the transfer request in January, even if it meant dropping down a division, because he has all the talent in the world but he's at the wrong club at the wrong time with the wrong manager.

I can understand the logic of not starting him all the time because we have to keep a rigid team shape and can't afford errors - but I can't understand only bringing him on for 10 minute cameos against stellar opposition when the game is already dead. It's almost as if Moyes is trying to deal him the worst possible hand he can.
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I agree with about 90-95% of that. Spot on.
 
Tubey said:
Tom Huddlestone, Gareth Barry, Jack Wilshere... All current generation English stars who played aged 17/18 on a regular basis and benefited from it.

Paul Scholes, Steven Gerrard, Jamie Redknapp (lol)... Moving on from just English midfielders, we're seeing bright talents like Eden Hazard, Oscar, Raheem Sterling, Gareth Bale, James Milner, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain... All being used early and often.

The one thing they all have in common is playing regularly at the top level ASAP. They didn't all hit the ground running - Steven Gerrard admits his first season at Liverpool was horrible because of nerves - but they all benefited from faith shown in them and from consistent football.

If Moyes isn't going to play Barkley now, and prefer a 30 year old plus German who looks like he's here for a holiday unfortunately - or, even worse, the 35-year-old fraud we call a captain - for 90 minutes each and every week in midfield, then we may as well sell him now.

To be perfectly honest, if I were Ross, I'd be handing in the transfer request in January, even if it meant dropping down a division, because he has all the talent in the world but he's at the wrong club at the wrong time with the wrong manager.

I can understand the logic of not starting him all the time because we have to keep a rigid team shape and can't afford errors - but I can't understand only bringing him on for 10 minute cameos against stellar opposition when the game is already dead. It's almost as if Moyes is trying to deal him the worst possible hand he can.
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i think everton are the perfect club for him, it's just the manager that's the problem. anyway, don't say stuff about transfer requests, he reads this site, don't want him getting ideas into his head, i want him to spend his whole career here. He should be played way more though. I understand if moyes wants to start hitz over him because they're different type of players, but wigan at home is not really a match where we need a holding midfielder. barkley should have started that. goal difference could be the difference between 4th and 6th for us as it was last season the deciding factor in the title race. we need to have a more attacking team in such games. If osman were to miss a game or two i would very pissed off if we had a neville and gibson centre midfield with ross on the bench. thought he would have got more of an opportunity with felli out but anichebe has come in and done well
 
Tubey said:
Tom Huddlestone, Gareth Barry, Jack Wilshere... All current generation English stars who played aged 17/18 on a regular basis and benefited from it.

Paul Scholes, Steven Gerrard, Jamie Redknapp (lol)... Moving on from just English midfielders, we're seeing bright talents like Eden Hazard, Oscar, Raheem Sterling, Gareth Bale, James Milner, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain... All being used early and often.

The one thing they all have in common is playing regularly at the top level ASAP. They didn't all hit the ground running - Steven Gerrard admits his first season at Liverpool was horrible because of nerves - but they all benefited from faith shown in them and from consistent football.

If Moyes isn't going to play Barkley now, and prefer a 30 year old plus German who looks like he's here for a holiday unfortunately - or, even worse, the 35-year-old fraud we call a captain - for 90 minutes each and every week in midfield, then we may as well sell him now.

To be perfectly honest, if I were Ross, I'd be handing in the transfer request in January, even if it meant dropping down a division, because he has all the talent in the world but he's at the wrong club at the wrong time with the wrong manager.

I can understand the logic of not starting him all the time because we have to keep a rigid team shape and can't afford errors - but I can't understand only bringing him on for 10 minute cameos against stellar opposition when the game is already dead. It's almost as if Moyes is trying to deal him the worst possible hand he can.
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you really need to get over this, you seem to think he is going to be world class, his not.
Lacks intelligence and unless he bucks up his ideas wont last long in this division.
he needs to get his head down work hard and see what happens from there, If he just wants to shrugg his shoulders and do it his way he will end up wasting his talents like wayne routledge.

barkley is still making the same mistakes he was 2 years ago, what do you expect moyes to do
 

dixie7 said:
you really need to get over this, you seem to think he is going to be world class, his not.
Lacks intelligence and unless he bucks up his ideas wont last long in this division.
he needs to get his head down work hard and see what happens from there, If he just wants to shrugg his shoulders and do it his way he will end up wasting his talents like wayne routledge.

barkley is still making the same mistakes he was 2 years ago, what do you expect moyes to do
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Wane routledge just scored his fifth prem goal this season is that what you call a waste how many of goal;s other than Feli chipped in with this season???
 
Did well when he came on vs Stoke. Didn't do all that well when coming on against Chelsea.
He could've had more playing time from the last couple of games since we've been thin in midfield, but from watching the performance vs Chelsea I can also see Moyes wanting to shield him some. Lots of abuse for not being the game-changer.

For the last 5-10 mins when we had Vellios, Anichebe and Jelavic the idea was pretty apparent, hoof the ball into the box and scrap. We didn't have one ball into the box throughout that time but for the one that Jelavic bottled. That was a fail by backline and the midfield.
Barkley suffered from wanting to do to much with the chance to play he had, he should've just kept putting crosses into the box instead of stepping on the ball trying to find a through ball. Not just his mistake though, since Distin-Heitinga-Osman-Oviedo-Baines all failed to put any pressure on the Chelsea box.
 
PeterMeter said:
Did well when he came on vs Stoke. Didn't do all that well when coming on against Chelsea.
He could've had more playing time from the last couple of games since we've been thin in midfield, but from watching the performance vs Chelsea I can also see Moyes wanting to shield him some. Lots of abuse for not being the game-changer.

For the last 5-10 mins when we had Vellios, Anichebe and Jelavic the idea was pretty apparent, hoof the ball into the box and scrap. We didn't have one ball into the box throughout that time but for the one that Jelavic bottled. That was a fail by backline and the midfield.
Barkley suffered from wanting to do to much with the chance to play he had, he should've just kept putting crosses into the box instead of stepping on the ball trying to find a through ball. Not just his mistake though, since Distin-Heitinga-Osman-Oviedo-Baines all failed to put any pressure on the Chelsea box.
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Good post mate agree with that
 

Would like to see more of him, but i'd prefer 3 points. If playing him is going to be the difference between seeing him and getting 3 points.. I vote he stays on the bench.
If however it's unlikely to make a difference we are 3-0 up or even down then go for it.. Duffy, Barkley and Green on.. What difference can it make?
Unfortunately we never get 3-0 either way as we tend to draw or have a 1-0 win or loss so its always too close to risk.
 

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