MartSlinger
Player Valuation: £40m
Couple of weeks ago mate, no idea if it still is!
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Couple of weeks ago mate, no idea if it still is!
I'm getting really bored of the Moyes Police in every thread.
He was excellent today.
If he can play that well all season we're in for a treat. So damned pleased that we might finally see him as a regular. Long overdue.
Also the fact that he's take his chance pretty much everytime we start him, does at least show that we're coaching him well. That drop in confidence I feared would come with having a manager who just doesn't rate you, hasn't happened.
If he can play that well all season we're in for a treat. So damned pleased that we might finally see him as a regular. Long overdue.
Also the fact that he's take his chance pretty much everytime we start him, does at least show that we're coaching him well. That drop in confidence I feared would come with having a manager who just doesn't rate you, hasn't happened.
bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
hahaha ****ing hell. Bit waspish about this one aren't you?
Its reasonable to talk about the difference in approach and how that seems to have been beneficial for Ross. It seems slightly stupid to say Moyes did his best to ruin him. His approach may have been misguided and may not have been best for Ross, I'm entitled to counter a point I don't think reasonable am I not?
Don't have to worship Moyes to think that some narratives aren't allowed at the moment without them being shouted down. I appreciate I'm swimming against the tide on this one.
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
i'm bored of hearing Moyes name in every thread too, it's a no win situation is it
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
Waits for Goat to come on and say he only played this well today cause of how Moyes bought him through slowly..........................
bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
Amazing how its not the Moyes police that keep bringing him up at every given opportunity.
It is actually. The solution may be not to visit an Everton forum if you don't want to read people having an opinion on a guy who was the Everton manager for 11 years - in relation to this thread, specifically his impact on the development of a youth player.
It's not like we're talking about nail clippers or something random in every thread is it?
In my opinion, Moyes was undoubtedly responsible for stalling Barkley's impact on the first team, and I think it's very fair to discuss that in a Barkley thread.
Are we meant to airbrush him from history then?
Tell you what, let's not talk about Howard Kendall either. He's not the manager any more after all.
BirkenheadBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
OK, so Moyes nearly ruined his development, and yet he's able to put in that performance after a couple of weeks with the new guy?
Either Martinez is the greatest coach in the history of football, or Moyes came nowhere CLOSE to ruining his development...
Either Martinez is the greatest coach in the history of football, or Moyes came nowhere CLOSE to ruining his development...
Furey1878
Player Valuation: £70m
You're quite right BMG, Moyes obviously didn't try to ruin Barkley. I think Tubey was just exaggerating though, can't see his comment being serious.
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
Don't visit an everton forum and talk about the manchester utd manager did you say, oh thanks.
yeah i'd like not hear his name in every thread, when blatantly people were discussing Ross in a positive way about todays game and it still ends up going over the same boring moyes shoite that you can probably find ten pages back. ok mate.
It's the impact of having a manager who believes in you.
Moyes didn't believe in Barkley, and he wouldn't have played him.
If Martinez was manager at Everton over the last two years, Barkley would be a lot further progressed in my view, as Martinez is nowhere near as ultra-cautious in relation to youth development.
Natural talent gave that performance today - good management basically hones that talent by carefully nurtured minutes on the pitch in increasing quantity. Moyes didn't do that at all.
The Manchester United manager happened to manage us for eleven years and left only three months ago.
You can't airbrush that from history, and his legacy is still here to discuss and will be for some time. That's just how it is.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I think it's fair to say that Martinez - through pre-season starts and the hammering home of how much he rates him - has built Barkley's confidence back up. Confidence and lack of fear to make a mistake or two is often the difference with young quality players.
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