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Ross Barkley

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I would hope we have a little bit more about us now than 10 years ago. Jags was made captain briefly tonight and the red tops have been trying to sell Baines on behalf of Man U for numerous years. With Stones also breaking into England we should be looking at becoming the force that we once were, rather than fretting over the tiresome media hacks.

I hope Ross does well for England, along with Baines and Jags, and then he signs on a long bumper contract. He can then hold the other end of Lukaku's scarf when he completes his move from Chelsea, an excellent photo for the red tops.
 

utter joke by the way that we didn't get his contract sorted before the world cup, unless he himself wouldnt have it thst is just so so poor from everton

I live in the hope that we have the contact sewn up and signed but are waiting for him to have his amazing world cup. Then we can nip the transfer speculation in the bud by announcing it after the world cup.
 
I would hope we have a little bit more about us now than 10 years ago. Jags was made captain briefly tonight and the red tops have been trying to sell Baines on behalf of Man U for numerous years. With Stones also breaking into England we should be looking at becoming the force that we once were, rather than fretting over the tiresome media hacks.

I hope Ross does well for England, along with Baines and Jags, and then he signs on a long bumper contract. He can then hold the other end of Lukaku's scarf when he completes his move from Chelsea, an excellent photo for the red tops.

....yep, I think we are a different proposition now, a team and Manager where young talent can flourish. The key to these situations, however, is the player and more particularly if they push for a move. Unlike Rooney, I don't get the impression that Ross Barkley is in a hurry to leave or that his advisors are seeking to cash in. I also doubt the club would be looking to sell even if big bucks is offered.
 

the fact is he will leave eventually for a massive fee, unless we get took over by mega rich owners were screwed, lets hope we at least get another 2 seasons out of him and then get a gareth bale type fee for him to spend on some quality players, if nothing changes with our owners etc then anyone who thinks barkley will stay longer than 2 years needs to go and give there head a wobble, its simple the media will sell barkley to man utd , man city or chelsea and our owners will be smiling all the way to the bank, along with his agent.
 
I feel asleep on the couch before the second half so I missed Barkley's performance, sounded as expected though. His willingness to get the ball and drive forward impresses the media and fans, but his ability to not release it at the right time and lose the ball worries the people in charge.

May not be a popular thing to say, but I'm behind Hodgson's playing down expectations. If our aim was to just go to this WC and play kids, attack and use it as a learning curve, then I'd be saying play Barkley in every game, let him do what he does and go out in style. But for all the media we're not expecting much, it's all about performance rather than result rhetoric, if we go down to Italy and Uruguay, regardless how gracefully, and we're out before the final game against Costa Rica, Hodgson and the players and the FA get ripped to shreds.

What people really expect and want to see is a middle ground, flashes of promise mixed with decent results and a respectable showing (quarter finals or a heroic 2nd round knockout as a bare minimum) and to do this, the most likely route is draw the first two games (playing for a tight win), win the final one against Costa Rica. To do this, we need to keep it tight in the first two games, which means Welbeck on the left and Rooney in the hole. As much as we love Barkley and I totally agree with Martinez's approach, especially for us, of letting him play his way and learn through experience, England in a once in 4 year cup competition, can't afford those same risks. If we look insipid in attack in the first two games, then I'm all behind and will actively be pushing starting Barkley against Costa Rica and going forward in the knockout rounds if it works, but against Italian and Uruguayan quality opening the world cup, the risk of playing Barkley outweighs the potential positives if your game plan is to not lose.
 
I feel asleep on the couch before the second half so I missed Barkley's performance, sounded as expected though. His willingness to get the ball and drive forward impresses the media and fans, but his ability to not release it at the right time and lose the ball worries the people in charge.

May not be a popular thing to say, but I'm behind Hodgson's playing down expectations. If our aim was to just go to this WC and play kids, attack and use it as a learning curve, then I'd be saying play Barkley in every game, let him do what he does and go out in style. But for all the media we're not expecting much, it's all about performance rather than result rhetoric, if we go down to Italy and Uruguay, regardless how gracefully, and we're out before the final game against Costa Rica, Hodgson and the players and the FA get ripped to shreds.

What people really expect and want to see is a middle ground, flashes of promise mixed with decent results and a respectable showing (quarter finals or a heroic 2nd round knockout as a bare minimum) and to do this, the most likely route is draw the first two games (playing for a tight win), win the final one against Costa Rica. To do this, we need to keep it tight in the first two games, which means Welbeck on the left and Rooney in the hole. As much as we love Barkley and I totally agree with Martinez's approach, especially for us, of letting him play his way and learn through experience, England in a once in 4 year cup competition, can't afford those same risks. If we look insipid in attack in the first two games, then I'm all behind and will actively be pushing starting Barkley against Costa Rica and going forward in the knockout rounds if it works, but against Italian and Uruguayan quality opening the world cup, the risk of playing Barkley outweighs the potential positives if your game plan is to not lose.

Playing Barkley seemed to work well for us against some of the best teams in the best league in world football.

Uruguay don't even have much real quality in their team other than Cavani and Suarez, their midfield is worse than the majority of top 10 sides in the Premier League. As for Italy, they're hardly Spain.
 
Playing Barkley seemed to work well for us against some of the best teams in the best league in world football.

Uruguay don't even have much real quality in their team other than Cavani and Suarez, their midfield is worse than the majority of top 10 sides in the Premier League. As for Italy, they're hardly Spain.

But it also didn't work in games and while Uruguay and Italy, I agree, aren't the odds on favourite, unbeatable juggernauts they were made out to be when the draw was made, they are still top teams you can't afford to lose the ball cheaply against.

For Barkley to play, as far as I'm concerned, he needs to be in the central position behind the striker, which means displacing Rooney. It's a big risk and one Hodgson would be crucified for if it didn't work (regardless of how average Rooney's form is at the moment). He'd have to be 100% it was the right thing to do, and while Barkley's good and shows flashes of brilliance (which are getting more regular), he does have stinkers, he does have bad games too, too many arguably at the moment, to justify the risk.
 

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