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Ross Barkley

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How is it the manager's fault then if a contract has been on the table since March? He didn't come out in March and say "Ross has two months to sign this contract or we're selling him". After two months of being arsed about by him and his agent I really don't blame him for getting impatient.

He can get impatient all he wants; it doesn't matter. He should check his ego about it at the door before going into a press conference and blabbing to the public about a private matter and hanging one of his players out to dry. And that has happened - check a few responses on here to see the end result, or go on Twitter if you really want to see the end result of Koeman's actions.

"Contract matters are dealt with internally by the club, it's a club business matter - I won't be making any comment about any player."

That's where Koeman's input in press conferences should begin and end when it comes to contracts.

As an aside, talks only started mid-March. Two months ago. That's not a lot of time. You should be more annoyed at the club than Barkley for leaving it so late.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/09/ronald-koeman-will-do-can-keep-ross-barkley-everton/
 
The club have handled this terribly unless they're trying to push him out the door.

They've successfully turned the fanbase against Barkley without him saying a word. It's weird how quickly people have sided with the employer when the employee hasn't moaned. But Lukaku regularly opening his gob is ok.

There was absolutely no reason for this to play out in the press, and it's dirty pool by playing with Barkley's emotional ties to the club. Were I him, I'd not sign simply due to these tactics, regardless of how I felt about it to begin with.

The fan base hasn't turned against him. The vast majority, like the manager and the owner, want him to sign the apparently very lucrative contract they've offered him. I really, really like the lad and want him to stay but I see it very differently to you....I think his agent is playing on the local (and emotional ties) to get him a deal beyond what is right and proper. An agent looking to manipulate a situation to get himself a bigger slice of the pie irrespective of if it's the right deal for his client and his employers.....who'd have thought it?
 
The club have handled this terribly unless they're trying to push him out the door.

They've successfully turned the fanbase against Barkley without him saying a word. It's weird how quickly people have sided with the employer when the employee hasn't moaned. But Lukaku regularly opening his gob is ok.

There was absolutely no reason for this to play out in the press, and it's dirty pool by playing with Barkley's emotional ties to the club. Were I him, I'd not sign simply due to these tactics, regardless of how I felt about it to begin with.

Absolutely spot on. That's why I keep calling it out in this thread; I'm aware I'm repeating myself over and over again, but I can see clearly what Koeman has done here and it's bang out of order. I don't know whether he's trying to force the player out consciously, but it's either that, or he's an actual idiot, or he can't keep his ego in check. They're the only three reasons I can think of.
 

Whens this announcement then.?
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Or or...

"Employer offers employee a contract, says sign by next week or we'll sack you, tells everyone in the workplace about it happening."

That's the actual real world comparison.

It's really not Tub, not in the slightest

Ross Barkley is an asset of the club, a valuable asset which is deprecating every day. The club need an answer as to whether a £30m potential asset wishes to leave or stay
 
Or or...

"Employer offers employee a contract, says sign by next week or we'll sack you, tells everyone in the workplace about it happening."

That's the actual real world comparison.

Where anywhere is there an intimation that the Club will 'sack' Ross? That's just sensationalist guff mate....you're posts are better than that.
They've offered him a lucrative contract, his advisors have done or said nothing knowing full well that we can't let him run into the final year without a new one. Putting him up for sale is a very, very sound business move and it safeguards Everton. Safeguarding Everton is surely what we all want? Offered good a footballer a contract and listing him if he doesn't sign is not sacking him. That's a very different thing altogether.
 

Absolutely spot on. That's why I keep calling it out in this thread; I'm aware I'm repeating myself over and over again, but I can see clearly what Koeman has done here and it's bang out of order. I don't know whether he's trying to force the player out consciously, but it's either that, or he's an actual idiot, or he can't keep his ego in check. They're the only three reasons I can think of.

It ain't difficult sign the contract or put in a request to leave. Totally with Koeman on this one, players these days think they can string people along for as much time as they want to assess all of the options, I reckon he would soon sign if he received a bad injury (hoping he doesn't of course), remember Everton would leave the contract on the table for him.

If he wants to stay, just sign, it really isn't difficult.
 
It's really not Tub, not in the slightest

Ross Barkley is an asset of the club, a valuable asset which is deprecating every day. The club need an answer as to whether a £30m potential asset wishes to leave or stay

Great mate, agreed, so you know what the club should do? Sell the asset. Privately set the deadline and get rid of the asset.

It's that simple.
 
The fan base hasn't turned against him. The vast majority, like the manager and the owner, want him to sign the apparently very lucrative contract they've offered him. I really, really like the lad and want him to stay but I see it very differently to you....I think his agent is playing on the local (and emotional ties) to get him a deal beyond what is right and proper. An agent looking to manipulate a situation to get himself a bigger slice of the pie irrespective of if it's the right deal for his client and his employers.....who'd have thought it?
You're probably right, but there is a distaste in many on the fanbases mouths (we're an echo chamber, but as far away as I am, GOT is my window into the fan's thoughts) right now. 6 months ago there were many that said he wasn't good enough, but few saying we should sell him or calling him a traitor or acting like he is some sort of villain.

Now that Koeman has put this out publicly, repeatedly, for weeks, there is a lot more general discontent with Barkley. People acting like he should be happy to sign whatever the club puts in front of him just because he's an Evertonian. That mentality is ridiculous, and is being fostered by the public pronouncements of his boss.

How would any of you like your contract negotiations with a company to occur under constant media spotlight? Even then it's a bad analogy, because Ross has fans that have expectations of him loving the club. But loving a company shouldn't cause you to make bad life choices or stupid financial decisions, and if he feels he's being offered under market value he has every right to negotiate for a deal he believes is better. Not doing that isn't being a bad blue, it's being a professional.

I know the money at stake seems utterly obscene, but does anyone think Ross has huge earning potential post-football? He doesn't have any media presence, so pundit is out...where will his money come from after his career? He has to see this as his chance to take care of himself and his family for life. He has maybe 10 years to make all that money, and he knows better than most that it can be cut short at any time.

No one is privy to the inner workings of the deal. Koeman putting public pressure on him based on his childhood loyalties is f'ed up and only likely to cause problems.

As I said, I'd have trouble signing a deal after all this simply out of principle.
 
Where anywhere is there an intimation that the Club will 'sack' Ross? That's just sensationalist guff mate....you're posts are better than that.
They've offered him a lucrative contract, his advisors have done or said nothing knowing full well that we can't let him run into the final year without a new one. Putting him up for sale is a very, very sound business move and it safeguards Everton. Safeguarding Everton is surely what we all want? Offered good a footballer a contract and listing him if he doesn't sign is not sacking him. That's a very different thing altogether.

I said "real world comparison" mate - in the real world, contracts aren't normally exchanged for money to another business.
 

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