You're just blatantly wrong. Go back and watch the games. Other than today when Cleverley was inexplicably pushing into a lw position every time there has been two cms holding the base of the triangle with Ross at the top of it.
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That's the average position of every Everton player today. Note how #18 (Barry) is square in the middle of the field, while #20 and #15 (Barkley and Cleverley) are right next to each other about ten yards ahead.
Not sure where you're getting that graphic but to pick up on a few things 1. I've already said today that Cleverley was pushed in unnaturally high position especially in relation to the left wing. 2. It'll always look that way when we are chasing a game. Which we had to for most of the game. 3. The point above all was that Ross is still playing as a #10.
Take a look at the season. Also Cleverley's positional awareness is poo especially in cm.
Look at where Barry is there. He's playing as the lone holding midfielder. Look where Besic (#17) was for the short time he was on the field -- in advance and to the left of Barry and even with Barkley. We absolutely were not playing with a #10 today, unless you think we were playing with two of them and no central midfielders.
Besic had no time on the field and made a few runs out of his position so "the average" was always going to show him higher than his natural resting spot. Agree to disagree especially as you've not addressed where this graphic came from.
janus
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that graphic (at least the positions) is pretty similar to the one of the official everton site at the bottom of the stats tab...
http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2...-premier-league/everton-vs-swansea-city/match
http://www.evertonfc.com/fixtures/2...-premier-league/everton-vs-swansea-city/match
See the points listed above. I do like the name and avatar though. Was just having a conversation about Janus with someone last week.
It's from ESPNFC. There's a near-identical one available on Whoscored.com (which isn't as useful because it only shows the starters). The Premier League's official website also has one, but it's more difficult to read because it puts both teams' sets of players on the map at the same time. There are plenty of others; it's not exactly brand new technology.
Regardless, the point is we played with one holding midfielder and two central midfielders playing ahead of him, not two central midfielders with an attacking midfielder ahead of them. And we've been playing that way for a while.
Bout a month, really. It's a good idea, but no idea what Cleverley's purpose of being another left winger was today really.
Just asking where you got it. I think you're totally wrong and we have been playing with 3 centrally located midfielders all with different labels and duties . One dm one cm and one acm. In defense Ross has dropped in to make it an inverted triangle shape which I've already expressed.
Well, Barkley naturally wants to push forward more than Besic or Cleverley or McCarthy, but I think he's been playing in the same nominal position as they have -- kind of like how Stones plays the same position as Jagielka or Funes Mori but finds himself a lot further forward many times. But the triangle when they're defending has been with Barry centrally and deep and Barkley and the other central midfielder at the same level. That's what I've seen when I've watched the matches and that's what the average position maps indicate.
AaronTheBlue
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he was turd like
You've averaged the average positions? Agree to disagree. This debate is going in circles so I'll just say whatever way we play wherever people play they better put a hell of a lot more effort out there Wednesday.
II McColl II
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Hes not played the #10 role for a while and i don't think it suits him anymore because hes had that raw side of his game taken away over the last season due to confidence and learning through experience and gaining maturity.
Its for that reason that i personally think as ive said for quite a while, home games should have him and barry holding allowing Barkley to play that #8 role and drift around a bit sort of in the way Besic has in recent weeks and popped up in capable positions of getting goals but obviously Barkley would pose a greater threat going forward but not as solid defensively. Sounds like we may be without Besic and McCarthy for a few games so its certainly something to look into because it can't get much worse at goodison.
This then opens up that #10 role that we desperately need to fill, Deulofeu is an animal out on the wing but when you keep looking to just go through him teams will just start to double up knowing there isn't another direct threat. As much as i dislike them look at West Ham and Payet for example, throw a Payet type player in there and like them those draws will turn in to wins and confidence will grow, 2nd Payet got injured they couldn't do anything.
Its one of the most important positions in modern football and we need a specialist in that role, Barkley is made for playing a bit deeper with license to roam as Lampard and Gerrard were in their primes.
Its for that reason that i personally think as ive said for quite a while, home games should have him and barry holding allowing Barkley to play that #8 role and drift around a bit sort of in the way Besic has in recent weeks and popped up in capable positions of getting goals but obviously Barkley would pose a greater threat going forward but not as solid defensively. Sounds like we may be without Besic and McCarthy for a few games so its certainly something to look into because it can't get much worse at goodison.
This then opens up that #10 role that we desperately need to fill, Deulofeu is an animal out on the wing but when you keep looking to just go through him teams will just start to double up knowing there isn't another direct threat. As much as i dislike them look at West Ham and Payet for example, throw a Payet type player in there and like them those draws will turn in to wins and confidence will grow, 2nd Payet got injured they couldn't do anything.
Its one of the most important positions in modern football and we need a specialist in that role, Barkley is made for playing a bit deeper with license to roam as Lampard and Gerrard were in their primes.
Gibbo4
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When Besic plays, Barkley is clearly the no. 10. You can see this from the average position maps below from the games Besic played. Besic is a CM who has positional sense and is always behind Barkley on the maps.
When Cleverley plays CM, he looks like a headless chicken at times with almost no positional sense. He is up with Barkley. Whether this is an intentional tactic I don't know. All I do know is that when the Cleverley-Barry-Barkley trio have played together we haven't won a match and I fear for us if we have to do so on Wednesday.
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