Ross Barkley

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Could play for any team in the world but strangely not for the England team?[/QUOTE]

Used to cheese me off the way the media tried to make him out to be one of England's greatest players, even though he was crap most of the time.

 

[kenada_blue]

Can't see the Scholes comparisons. Perhaps with the younger version who got into positions behind the striker to score but Scholes always had a wondrous passing range both short and long allowing him to control games in a way few others can (Gerrard and Lampard were praised for their Hollywood balls but neither could control a game, impact it yes but both needed an Alonso, Makelele behind them to set the tempo, hence why they worked abysmally together for England).

I don't think Barkley quite has that, I think he is better at doing it than Gerrard or Lampard was but not in Scholes/Pirlo/Xavi class (not because he's young but because he just doesn't seem to play that way or have the brain or range for it)

I'd see him more as an Iniesta or Zidane type player (not a direct comparison before someone calls me a kopite). As in he has the supreme technique required to link play anywhere in midfield, can punish the opposition offensively, and can impact the game and influence the outcome on an individual level.

What is beyond doubt is he is already one, if not the premium attacking midfielder in the premier league and is head and shoulders above some of the players in his position internationally. Leagues above Henderson, Milner, Lallana, Delph, Mason etc.

Dele Alli is a good player but I don't think he has done anything Ross hasn't done. If they swapped shirts all the hype would only be about one player and that would be Ross. If he was at Liverpool Spurs or United he'd be getting the credit he deserves for the outstanding season he's having rather than getting knocked pillar to post every time he plays for Englsnd and doesn't win the game singlehandedly for them.

Spot on.

Without the comparrisons, the lad is dictating games at 22. Very few can do it and do it in the premiership.

I don't know of an English midfielder at the moment that can do it either.

 

[Pabbers]

Loads of top players don't perform that well for there country, Paul scholes was never brilliant for England. Gerrard was used on the left under Sven,

Scholes was always pushed out wide, to accommodate Gerrard.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

He was never world class HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

If he was world class why didn't he do it for England?

 

[Saint Domingo]

Loads of top players don't perform that well for there country, Paul scholes was never brilliant for England. Gerrard was used on the left under Sven,

Scholes did more than Gerrard did for England, it was successive managers pandering to Gerrard's limitations that drove Scholes to retirement. Whilst Scholes could play almost anywhere Gerrard could only ever play one way. Too big a name to leave out though, too many match of the day moments to ignore, the media pressure would be too great. Sven sidelined probably the greatest English player of the modern period on the left wing and drove him to early retirement, not a word from the media. Gerrard was put out there for a short period and you did not hear the end of it from the press.

For me you have your era defining players: Pele Maradona Zidane Messi etc.

Then world class ones: Xavi Iniesta Pirlo both Ronaldos Maldini etc.

Then you have the tier below. Great players who won some trophies (or maybe not) but just not quite good enough to demand inclusion in the level above, and that's where I would class the likes of Gerrard. Anyone who was putting him in that very top level when he retired was absolutely deluded.

 

[sageyefc]

Terribly selfish player as well

 

[evertonarntwe]

If he was world class why didn't he do it for England?

Come in mate your making out he was awful for England! England have been [Poor language removed] for years, he has his bad days like everybody else, not like we have had the greatest managers to work with over the years!

 

[sageyefc]

Could never dictate a midfield, was always at his best in an attacking mid role behind Torres where he didn't have to have to much discipline

Roy keane said himself a few days ago he was never world class

 

[evertonarntwe]

Could never dictate a midfield, was always at his best in an attacking mid role behind Torres where he didn't have to have to much discipline

Roy keane said himself a few days ago he was never world class

We get it lad you don't like Gerrard. Keane is a miserable fool to be fair though

 

[Saint Domingo]

We get it lad you don't like Gerrard. Keane is a miserable fool to be fair though

He might be but he was also a far far better midfielder than Gerrard was.

 

[sageyefc]

We get it lad you don't like Gerrard. Keane is a miserable fool to be fair though

Keane was one of the best midfielders this league has seen and someone that went against him on many occasion more often than not always dominating him, his words hold more weight

 

[evertonarntwe]

He might be but he was also a far far better midfielder than Gerrard was.

Again two different types of players, both quality, it's like messi coming and and saying Suarez is [Poor language removed], because he's better does it mean he right? No chance

 

[Saint Domingo]

We get it lad you don't like Gerrard. Keane is a miserable fool to be fair though

Liverpool fans and the media really do need to look deeper as to why they didn't ever win a title. Whilst Gerrard was in the team he played with defenders like Carragher Hyppia Henchoz Agger, midfielders like Alonso Mascherano Redknapp, Hamann, Berger, Mcmanaman and strikers like Owen Fowler Torres and Suarez. Despite this they mustered two title challenges in his career. Why if he was such a world beater was this the case? United were winning leagues with inferior players at times. Can't have all been down to Fergie. There were several seasons they were stronger on paper than the champions but limited themselves pandering to Gerrard.

 

[MartSlinger]

Anyway,

Russ bossing games for Everton at 22yrs old. The lad will be one of Englands best.

Makes everything look effortless. He's absolutely brilliant and when he improves his decision making even further the lad will he unstoppable.

He can do things that teams would have two players do (if that makes sense). He can get us 40-50yds up the pitch with ease and when that final ball is on point he'll be getting goals and assists in the process, some teams have two players doing that job, we've got Russ.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Terribly selfish player as well

Aye.

Remember Baines' England debut? No better testament to the whiston sh1thouse's self-centredness.