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2017/18 Ross Barkley

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Because that would be idiotic in the extreme even by Barkleys standards.

The other clubs are coming in for him because he’s cheap/free... if he signs a new deal then his value goes from peanuts to huge money.

The irony in your statement is also strong. You’re calling him selfish whilst your yourself are only thinking about Everton’s interests and not the players. Ultimately it’s his life, his career and im sure these things are more important to him than a multi billionaire losing out on a fee. Mosh can dry his tears with £50 notes if need be.
Aye but even he must know by him moving to a Chelsea or a spurs he is essentially not going to be in the first team. He must know that already, he isn't displacing anyone in their team any time soon. And after seeing the likes of Sinclair, delph, Rodwell, Shaw, chambers , to name but a few move to big clubs and their careers take a downturn, he must know that there is a real possibility that will happen.

If he doesn't then there wouldn't be any danger of him signing the contract in the first place. If the club's only want you because you are cheap then that kinda would make you question why you would want to move there.
 
will go to Chelsea , will get less game time than danny drinkwater, will be booed and called fat slow and a waste of money by Chelsea fans , will eventually go to Newcastle sunderland or middlesborough and yoyo between relegation dog fights and the championship, will one day say how much he loves everton to which all everton fans will turn round laugh in his face and want nothing to do with him.

his everton legacy and his character will be as welcome and as fondly remembered as gary glitter and him doing comeback gig.
he has burnt his bridges to this club . have fun heading towards the wilderness, a unfulfilled potential and a lonely life ross.
a thoroughly stupid boy with a disgrace of an agent.
 
Aye but even he must know by him moving to a Chelsea or a spurs he is essentially not going to be in the first team. He must know that already, he isn't displacing anyone in their team any time soon. And after seeing the likes of Sinclair, delph, Rodwell, Shaw, chambers , to name but a few move to big clubs and their careers take a downturn, he must know that there is a real possibility that will happen.

If he doesn't then there wouldn't be any danger of him signing the contract in the first place. If the club's only want you because you are cheap then that kinda would make you question why you would want to move there.

For all we know, he thinks he is one of the best in the world. He may honestly believe (plus his management will be telling him) that he's a top player and can force his way in.
 

We all cry about loyalty but at same time would be happy to see some of our under performing players have their contracts ripped up.

The wonderful one way street of loyalty in football.
All loyalty in football is underpinned by a large pay cheque, I don't care who it is.
 
For all we know, he thinks he is one of the best in the world. He may honestly believe (plus his management will be telling him) that he's a top player and can force his way in.
Most probably the case I agree.

But I don't accept that any young English player can look at all these other moves and not at the very least know that they could end up being squad players and throwing their career away.

In fact all the young players bought cheaply all end up wasting their careers. Is there genuinely one youngish English player who has moved to one of the big clubs and actually prospered as a result? Walker, Henderson to some extent? That's all I can think of.

Anyone bought for big money is bought for the first team.
 
Wonder if this means they will sell Loftus Cheek in the summer as cant see a place for him too? Love him here.

Good point, forgot about him. Surely you would assume that at the moment, he's a bigger prospect than Barkley, plays in the same position and is more consistent?
 
You offer more money or you sell him, simple as that. We didnt sell him when we should and now have a fan base complaining of a low transfer fee.

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Most probably the case I agree.

But I don't accept that any young English player can look at all these other moves and not at the very least know that they could end up being squad players and throwing their career away.

In fact all the young players bought cheaply all end up wasting their careers. Is there genuinely one youngish English player who has moved to one of the big clubs and actually prospered as a result? Walker, Henderson to some extent? That's all I can think of.

Anyone bought for big money is bought for the first team.
Do you mean any English players who have moved for cheap or moved at all and prospered as a result? Stones is a big one.

Regardless, Barkley will play for a better team than us, get paid more than when with us, and have at least half a shot at getting into their team. Him and his agent must think it's worth it or they wouldn't be doing it.
 
Won't be missed as much as the decent fee for him will be.
Might come good at yet another club in 5yrs or so...ln the sort of flash in the pan / Huddleston / Hull FA Cup run manner.

Potential
Failed Potential
Failed

With the consolation of a shed load of dosh and playing footy for a living for 15yrs or so...I should've been so cursed.
 
Ross and Jack Rodwell might be having a beer together in twenty years' time trying to plot the exact moment their footballing careers went a little pear-shaped.
 

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