Sam Allardyce

[Toffeelover]

Allardyce: do your research on him. That type of finish isn't his thing. He got Bolton 8th and that was it.

Ok, he'll have better players here, but his mindset is one that goes for draws rather than wins. You have to go for all three points to make a dent in the top end of this league.

I said in a previous post that Allardyce's mindset may not be a "rescue" job but in it for the longer term and make something of it. I think this could well be his last manager's job hence my belief that he really wants to make a mark and lead a team into Europe. All down to him, his staff and the players of course.

 

[Toffeelover]

We'll see results wise. But he's got the sort of positive energy we badly needed after the last feller sucked the life out of the club with his miserable character.

Spot on, miserable git. Noticed at last game agin Hudders there was a lot more enthusiasm and energy on the touchline totally the opposite when RK was boss.

 

[BernieH]

I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised at how good a manager Allardyce is, he has an unfair reputation as a long ball merchant, when in fact he is very well educated in the finer aspects of coaching. His media persona does him no justice whatsoever, don't be surprised to see him here long term.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised at how good a manager Allardyce is, he has an unfair reputation as a long ball merchant, when in fact he is very well educated in the finer aspects of coaching. His media persona does him no justice whatsoever, don't be surprised to see him here long term.

Agree with this right up to the part in bold. No matter how good he is (unless we win some pots or get CL footy) he will only get to the end of next season. We will hit a glass celling with him as I just don't think he will be able to attract the players we need to push on any further.

If he can provide a solid platform for anyone else to come in and build upon that work it will be job done though.

 

[BernieH]

Agree with this right up to the part in bold. No matter how good he is (unless we win some pots or get CL footy) he will only get to the end of next season. We will hit a glass celling with him as I just don't think he will be able to attract the players we need to push on any further.

If he can provide a solid platform for anyone else to come in and build upon that work it will be job done though.

He will be able to attract players, coin wioll do that for him. I still think he'll be here longer than 18mth

 

[The binman chronicles]

He will be able to attract players, coin wioll do that for him. I still think he'll be here longer than 18mth

I hope you are right as that will mean he is doing very well here and it will be less risky than finding a new man who may or may not work.

 

[chippy1722]

I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised at how good a manager Allardyce is, he has an unfair reputation as a long ball merchant, when in fact he is very well educated in the finer aspects of coaching. His media persona does him no justice whatsoever, don't be surprised to see him here long term.

I've watched a couple of interviews in the past and he is definitely a 'thinking' manager, he was using these opta stats and other similiar things years before others.

He likes to have the ball in the oppositions last third as much as he can in a game and also loves crosses into the area, as the more time the ball is spent in these areas, the more chance there is of scoring.

 

[efcforever]

What fight?

A dead rubber game that nobody wants to play in, yeah great motivation for the players that 1.

A chance for them to prove they should be here and force their way into the manager's plans.

 

[efcforever]

I would like to see us send a mixture of Under 14s, Big Sam up top and Sammy Lee in Centre Mid.

Break records by getting beat 12-0 or something.

Could be Bill's big chance?

 

[davek]

I said in a previous post that Allardyce's mindset may not be a "rescue" job but in it for the longer term and make something of it. I think this could well be his last manager's job hence my belief that he really wants to make a mark and lead a team into Europe. All down to him, his staff and the players of course.

I dont think he has the ability to do that, tbh.

He'll adapt his team and tactics to the opposition and get draws where we weren't supposed to get them and a few hard fought wins. But to be up there at the top end of the table a team needs to have an identity of its own, not just a team that looks at others and figures out how to spoil their game...which is Allardyce's forte.

He's a bit long in the tooth now to learn new tricks.

 

[Pabbers]

He will be able to attract players, coin wioll do that for him. I still think he'll be here longer than 18mth

The short contract tells you the plan is anything but long term.

 

[PickeringBlue]

The short contract tells you the plan is anything but long term.

I forget which interview it was, but he was asked about the term of his contract. His response was basically "In today's game the length of contract means nothing." There was a bit of "There's a good chance I'll be shipped off in the summer", but also a look of "I'd love to retire from Everton having has a great spell when I'm 70."

Who knows....only time will tell. I personally hope that Big Sam can prove he has what it takes to manage a bigger club and bring real success. Hiring a manager is a crap shoot and the less we have to do it the better.

 

[orly]

He likes to have the ball in the oppositions last third as much as he can in a game and also loves crosses into the area, as the more time the ball is spent in these areas, the more chance there is of scoring.

I have to be honest, i think this is probably the same for every single manager in the world.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

I dont think he has the ability to do that, tbh.

He'll adapt his team and tactics to the opposition and get draws where we weren't supposed to get them and a few hard fought wins. But to be up there at the top end of the table a team needs to have an identity of its own, not just a team that looks at others and figures out how to spoil their game...which is Allardyce's forte.

He's a bit long in the tooth now to learn new tricks.

I think we are at the same point Man City were when they got Hughes in.
They had the money but any world class manager/player would look at them and go somewhere else. Under Hughes they upgraded every area on the pitch, stabilised in Europe and started to look like a big team that Top Players would want to join, then they binned Hughes for Mankini who set about building an entirely new team of the top level players

We essentially have to build a team now that better Players/Manager think they have a chance of winning with. It would only be a short term team 2-3 seasons that would be replaced once we become attractive to the really top players. Sam is ideal for that stability, he doesn't need to bring us the champions League to have done his job, just credibility and respect for when we really go shopping.

 

[davek]

I think we are at the same point Man City were when they got Hughes in.
They had the money but any world class manager/player would look at them and go somewhere else. Under Hughes they upgraded every area on the pitch, stabilised in Europe and started to look like a big team that Top Players would want to join, then they binned Hughes for Mankini who set about building an entirely new team of the top level players

We essentially have to build a team now that better Players/Manager think they have a chance of winning with. It would only be a short term team 2-3 seasons that would be replaced once we become attractive to the really top players. Sam is ideal for that stability, he doesn't need to bring us the champions League to have done his job, just credibility and respect for when we really go shopping.

With the best will in the world, I cant see us at the stage City were at when Mansour initially et al invested.