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Sam Allardyce

So, what next?

  • IN. Give him a chance and see what he can do?

    Votes: 79 8.3%

  • OUT. Thanks but no thanks. See Ya?

    Votes: 758 79.3%

  • As ever. Cheese on Toast

    Votes: 25 2.6%

  • Er, I am a bit scared of us Evertoning this right up.

    Votes: 94 9.8%
  • Total voters
    956
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davek said:
Mourinho nullifies the opposition but has a game plan to win games once that's done. I dont think Allardyce can think beyond nullify...or if he does it's just to maximise use of corners and free kicks to make it all pay off.
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What about the instruction for Lennon and Gylfi to stop tracking the fullbacks against Huddersfield?
 
davek said:
Mourinho nullifies the opposition but has a game plan to win games once that's done. I dont think Allardyce can think beyond nullify...or if he does it's just to maximise use of corners and free kicks to make it all pay off.
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I am not sure that’s right David ....at half time last week he spotted the lack of attacking opportunities and at the risk of the defense pushed SIG and Lennon FORWARDS where they hold he most effective
Hardly nullifying with no thought for attack
Quite the opposite ... a brave move
 
I actually think the way we set up against Huddersfield is exactly how Koeman wanted us to set up.

A striker working hard up top and worrying the defenders, winning headers (Sandro - DCL did it Saturday)

Two 'inverted' wingers who both cut inside and almost play as number 10's (Lennon and Sigurdsson did this well on the weekend - but he wanted Klaassen to be the guy where Lennon played)

Two holding players whilst Rooney was given free reign to make things happen.
 
DannyEvo said:
I actually think the way we set up against Huddersfield is exactly how Koeman wanted us to set up.

A striker working hard up top and worrying the defenders, winning headers (Sandro - DCL did it Saturday)

Two 'inverted' wingers who both cut inside and almost play as number 10's (Lennon and Sigurdsson did this well on the weekend - but he wanted Klaassen to be the guy where Lennon played)

Two holding players whilst Rooney was given free reign to make things happen.
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KOEMAN IN!!
 

If BFS is required to grind out results every week, his tenure will soon become tedious.

However, if he feels we are in a secure position, and with the resources to play more expansive football, he may be persuaded to take that opportunity. I'd say that is the situation that Watford now find themselves in.

As for attracting top players, we will not be challenging for Champions League places in the near future - under BFS or any other manager. His skill at and experience of managing the biggest teams is irrelevant.

I am prepared to accept him for the rest of this season - as if I had a choice - and then judge him on his achievements.
 

Stanley Parker said:
If BFS is required to grind out results every week, his tenure will soon become tedious.

However, if he feels we are in a secure position, and with the resources to play more expansive football, he may be persuaded to take that opportunity. I'd say that is the situation that Watford now find themselves in.

As for attracting top players, we will not be challenging for Champions League places in the near future - under BFS or any other manager. His skill at and experience of managing the biggest teams is irrelevant.

I am prepared to accept him for the rest of this season - as if I had a choice - and then judge him on his achievements.
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All teams have to try to grind out results. The Premiership is so competitive there is nothing easy.
The last two games for Man City are proof of that. They had two extremely difficult games against opposition that were expected to be beaten easily by City.

I think Sam Allyrdyce has a challenge at Everton that he hasn't faced before.
A big club with lots of ambition and it would appear transfer funds available to sign most players if he chooses to do so. We must also add a squad of talented but underperforming players that are low on confidence.

Half of the challenge is easy for Sam, he has done it so often, organise the team, become defensively sound and soon morale and confidence rises.

The half that is the challenge at Everton is that becoming safe is not good enough, in fact it is probably a sackable position.
Sam has to get us to the top seven at least before the end of season 2018/2019 and maybe even challenging for a top four spot by then or at the very least be in a position to strike for that top four spot.
He has to have a team/squad that looks capable and balanced to challenge at that level.
If he can , he stays,...if not he will almost definitely be gone.
I think he knows very well what is needed of him.
 
collymcd said:
What about the instruction for Lennon and Gylfi to stop tracking the fullbacks against Huddersfield?
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Look at the opposition.

To do what others in this thread have argued he can do: use Everton to trouble the elite, that sort of one dimensional thinking wont take us near 5th and 6th.
 
davek said:
Look at the opposition.

To do what others in this thread have argued he can do: use Everton to trouble the elite, that sort of one dimensional thinking wont take us near 5th and 6th.
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To be fair mate you don’t know for certain what Sams limits are considering he’s always worked with tripe players at tripe clubs.

I’m not saying he can break us into the elite but I won’t be pre judging him based on his past teams that’s for sure.
 
fandjango said:
I am not sure that’s right David ....at half time last week he spotted the lack of attacking opportunities and at the risk of the defense pushed SIG and Lennon FORWARDS where they hold he most effective
Hardly nullifying with no thought for attack
Quite the opposite ... a brave move
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This was a move explained to us by Allardyce himself post match in an effort to explain how we won the game.

In reality I'm not sure we saw a vastly different game out of Siggurdson and Lennon in the second half that we didn't see in the first.
 
ProZ said:
Koeman was on similar wasn’t he, didn’t see none of that from him.
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Not that bothered about a manager telling us what a great club we are, I already know that. I’d prefer a manager that actually makes us great.
I don’t think that’ll be our current incumbent, but we shall see.
 

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