Sam Allardyce

[Barnfred 55]

The reasons why he could see out his contract

1 It would save about 9m pay off of him and his backroom staff , we can't keep paying managers off.
2 He's brought in 2 good players already
3 He's done a good job having us around 6th place since he's been here, we conceded about 30 goals in the previous 10 games.
4 He's said he's going to trim the squad down,
5 He said the squad is too big and there are players holding the youngsters back, expect him to offload a few senior players
6 He said the players he brings in will be better than we have now so will be straight in the team, i'm taking that as no more signing youngsters, we have enough in the squad.
7 The players are publicly saying they are improving with him as the manager.

With all that in place why can't BS have us playing better football with HIS team and why can't we break the top 6 ?

In response

1). Agree with the sentiment. But the cost of not paying him off could well be a lot more in the long run. Would be the best £9m we spend in the next 12 months IMO.
2) Yes agreed. Not sure who actually brought them in but happy to give him benefit of any doubt.
3) A decent manager would have done better with this squad.
4) Good luck with that. There are probably as many as 20 that need to go and quite a few on very good money. This will be a lot harder to achieve than you may think.
5) What he says and what he does are 2 separate things. IMO it is as much him holding the young players back as anything as he believes Untried = risk.
6) This in itself dispels point 5
7) What do you expect them to say in public. Even doing so in private means they're out on their ear.

When Allardyce first came, although I was totally against the appointment, I was prepared to give him the opportunity to prove me wrong. After the first 4/5 games I was starting to think maybe I was wrong. I gave him 100% credit for the result against the RS an also our first away win since January (ironically against him). His pressers surprised me the most as he was almost magnanimous, taking no credit for the turnaround in the defence and saying all the right things about it being an honour to manager a club of Everton's standing. But it didn't last long. Once he started messing with the line up and tactics things started going wrong, and Allardyce reverted to type. Over the next 4 months things unfolded exactly as I expected. He will never change, so you will never get him playing that better football that will get us challenging the top 6.

 

[magicjuan]

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What point is that trying to prove? It's not even a pie chart ffs....

 

[MACCA75]

The results have been ok. Not amazing, but ok. What hasn’t been ok in my opinion is:

- The quality of football
- Continually taking credit for the West Ham game and the subsequent belittling of Unsworth ‘he couldn’t cope’
- The criticisms of Everton staff, the medical staff who updated us on the Gylfi injury, and the head of communications for bringing out a club survey.
- The sneering and chuckling when asked about fan dissatisfaction with his substitutes/tactics
- The way he takes credit for any points we get, but happily throws players under the bus for a loss - ‘I can’t make them pass to each other’
- The defensive outlook. Remember the 3 defensive midfielders v Bournemouth?
- The bizarre treatment of Lookman and Klassen
- His reluctance to take any criticism and his insistence that we are an entertaining team.

There is only one way this will end.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Wins against 2 newly promoted teams and people have changed their whole opinion on the manager

These are strange times. Worrying times.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Imagine if Everton released a statement saying he was leaving, then thread would be about 200 pages instead of 1600+ in the next few hours

 

[Toast]

What point is that trying to prove? It's not even a pie chart ffs....

It should at least be an alternative league like RAWK have..

With us top, and Liverpool bottom..

Like those cardboard league tables you used to get in Shoot magazine.

 

[Professor Toffee]

What point is that trying to prove? It's not even a pie chart ffs....

Pie and gravy chart for Mr Allerdyce

 

[sixtynineseventy]

Interesting the way he concluded the post match interview by walking off when asked about criticism. Hopefully just two games left with him then.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The results have been ok. Not amazing, but ok. What hasn’t been ok in my opinion is:

- The quality of football
- Continually taking credit for the West Ham game and the subsequent belittling of Unsworth ‘he couldn’t cope’
- The criticisms of Everton staff, the medical staff who updated us on the Gylfi injury, and the head of communications for bringing out a club survey.
- The sneering and chuckling when asked about fan dissatisfaction with his substitutes/tactics
- The way he takes credit for any points we get, but happily throws players under the bus for a loss - ‘I can’t make them pass to each other’
- The defensive outlook. Remember the 3 defensive midfielders v Bournemouth?
- The bizarre treatment of Lookman and Klassen
- His reluctance to take any criticism and his insistence that we are an entertaining team.

There is only one way this will end.

Agree with all that apart from the most important bit. I'm not 100% convinced he's going mate. Think it's about 50/50 personally and you can probably get better odds at the bookies.

 

[Neiler]

Just because we are winning doesn’t mean he not lost the players, Walcott just last week took the Micky out of him.
He’s lost the fans, why anyone would want Allardyce next year is beyond me, I want what best for Everton and he isn’t, also it’s more of we all want him gone just people are disagreeing with if he here or not next season....of which he isn’t.

Finally a lot of the Sam backers are new accounts and are obviously WUMS

People can believe what they like mate, my opinion would be based on narrative in the media, interviews etc and relative improvement in form of probably every player bar Rooney and results would lead me to believe they do. It’s all speculation. I think people are reaching if they are saying he’s lost the dressing room.

 

[PeregrineT]

Just say no to drugs.

 

[irishgoose]

Wins against 2 newly promoted teams and people have changed their whole opinion on the manager

These are strange times. Worrying times.

100% this !

 

[MrGrumpy]

People can believe what they like mate, my opinion would be based on narrative in the media, interviews etc and relative improvement in form of probably every player bar Rooney and results would lead me to believe they do. It’s all speculation. I think people are reaching if they are saying he’s lost the dressing room.

I don’t think the likes of Walcott signed to play a 2nd RB and Tosun to not be given the chance to score in previous weeks. I’m pretty sure the team arnt happy with the play style but there professionals and have a lot of quality which is why despite the fact we are 19th of shots on goal and stuff we are 8th. When they get the 1 chance they take it something we haven’t had in the past.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Wins against 2 newly promoted teams and people have changed their whole opinion on the manager

These are strange times. Worrying times.

Ive said it many times mate, some of our fans are easily pleased.

After being a coward and gash all season, Schneiderlin puts a couple of decent performances in, and all of a sudden he’s a quality player who should be given a chance, as I say, easily pleased.

 

[Lob]

Just think guys, when he is gone we will all have this sort of bollox to look forward to. We are seeing the start of it already while he is still here. Lot more to come when he goes - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/14/sam-allardyce-west-ham-brainwashed-supporters

Wed 14 Oct 2015
Sam Allardyce slams West Ham supporters and calls them brainwashed
• ‘West Ham way’ is a millstone round the club’s neck, he adds
• Curbishley, Pardew and Redknapp also ‘got it in the neck’

West Ham fans vent their frustrations during the 2-1 home defeat to Everton in May 2015 when they all but secured the Uefa Cup fair-play place. Photograph: Alex Morton/Action Images


Sam Allardyce has lashed out at supporters of his most recent club, West Ham United, accusing many of them of being “deluded” and “brainwashed”.

Allardyce, who last week became the Sunderland manager after completing a four-year contract at Upton Park last summer, during which he took the Hammers back into the Premier League via the play-offs in 2012 and kept them there, made the remarks in his new book, Big Sam, My Autobiography, which is being serialised in the Sun newspaper.

“My long-ball label was started by Graeme Souness, who got upset whenever I beat him when he was at Blackburn or Newcastle, and was picked up by Arsène Wenger and Rafael Benítez,” he wrote. “As soon as I was appointed manager in 2011 the big debate was whether I would follow the ‘West Ham way’, which nobody could define, but, whatever it was, I apparently didn’t play it.

“I felt the West Ham way was about wearing your heart on your sleeve and showing passion for the club and winning.

“But the fans were being brainwashed into thinking that, historically, the club had a particular style of play which was akin to Barcelona, which was potty. I once called the supporters deluded and I stand by that. I don’t know who invented the West Ham way phrase, but it’s a millstone around the club’s neck.”

Allardyce, who steered West Ham to 12th in May after a promising start to the season ran out of steam after Christmas, added that he was not alone in feeling hamstrung by the supporters’ expectations and the club’s past, which saw them win the FA Cup on three occasions – 1964, 1975 and 1980 – and also lift the European Cup Winners’ Cup in 1965.

“I’ve talked to my predecessors Alan Curbishley, Alan Pardew and Harry Redknapp and they got it in the neck from the crowd as much as I did,” he added. “None of the players would admit it but they used to sit in the dressing room at half-time going: ‘Listen to them, never [Poor language removed] happy, slaughtering us all the time.’

“It must be a big anxiety for the owners, who need to fill the 54,000-seater Olympic Stadium with entertaining and successful football next year. The fans won’t turn up if West Ham are playing fantasy football and losing 5-3 every week. Slaven Bilic is the new man in the hot seat and good luck to him. He will need it.”