Sam Allardyce

[brieverton]

I could well be wrong mate, its a view point is all and a carefully considered one. I respect your post though, a lot of the posts in this thread are ill evidenced based and very infantile, i respect that you bothered to give reasons for your opinion, beyond referring to gravy or coming up with abusive ways of insulting a man. I still stand by my view point mind, i know its not the popular narrative. Im quite saddened about the treatment Allardyce is getting if i am honest and im not a particular advocate of his, regardless if he stays or goes i think he deserves some respect and appreciation for the job he has done in the context.

I disagree on a few point especially on Martinez and Koeman and fan boom and bust love for them.

Im not a particular advocate of Allardyce, but i believe the club is relatively unstable at the moment and i believe there is more change coming. I believe there needs to be stability in places stability can be achieved. I believe he has earned an opportunity. I also believe if you appoint a manager you have to back them, its part of what i believe works in football. Hiring and firing managers consistently i believe is fools gold, i believe there evidence there to support that.

I think you argue the case well for stability and retaining Allardyce and I can see the logic in avoiding too much change.

In addition I thought Allardyce offered some of the managerial attributes we needed back before Christmas but I think to keep him would just represent yet another wasted year when we are already miles behind.

It was clear Moshiri didn’t want him for any more than six months. Some of the criticism levelled at Allardyce is too personal for my liking but he has offered no compelling reasons in my view why he should be allowed to stay.

That, combined with the level of either strong dislike and contempt for him, hatred almost, makes his stay here untenable.

There is an overwhelming sense that he did what he was brought in to do, but that he cannot and will not take us an inch further and almost seems not to want to either which I find both bizarre and unacceptable.

Kenwright staying will probably be the element of continuity that Moshiri is looking for and I’ll take that as a quid pro quo for all of the rest leaving.

We have become moribund, stale and boring. We desperately need someone, in fact several people to grab the club by the scruff of the neck and shake it from its torpor. Doing nothing for another year just postpones dealing with our problems. Imagine what it would be like by Christmas with more of this.

 

[chippy1722]

Why would anyone take Glenn Hoddle seriously?

He’s a weopen and the whole world knows it.

You only have to watch him commentate for England even look at his Team of the season to see he has no impartiality at all. Everything is based around Spurs. He is so bad he even makes me miss Andy Townsend.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

We were weak in midfield & in attack, key players missing & lack of goal threat meant we were going to find it hard to create chances...

We need to strengthen all round bringing in the minimum of 5 players minimum in the summer...

?

 

[APN_EFC]

Basically next season is creating an identity, finish around the same place in the table/go for Europe, good cup runs.

Following season build on that.

I dont know about this. Other teams don't need a big transition year to get back in. A good coach with a proper transfer strategy, and a proper football strategy with tactics etc can take us to immediate success. I just feel like are ambitions are so low now that the club can get away with so many mediocre meaningless seasons, in which we will still gobble up the new shirts, season tickets and turn up in huge numbers to away matches, that it looks like we're happy.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

"There seems to be no credit for their achievement, I'm not talking about me"

That makes a change then.

 

[paulf]

To be honest mate thats just posting dogma i dont really care how you feel about him, i can say your post is jarg anyone can, but there is very little to back up, points help and debate hooks i fi

I have to watch this utter crap week in week out(my choice)...what back up points are you talking about? There is zero to discuss ...I go the game and witness this overwhelming utter tedium thats all the back up point you need...you are trying to come across as reasoned and balanced mate...doesnt cut it with me...its utter wham.. I dont give a shiny what you think...you and other trolls on here are the reason why we will only ever be second best...

 

[ADT]

Dear Big Fat Bisto Boy,

A club that spends £150 mil and stays in the premier league is not an achievement

P.S ‘KOFF NOW

 

[Kienic]

Will this fella give us that?
He has not done at any club he has been at before so in all of his glorious managerial roles that he has had.

If he was a good manager why don’t Arsenal go for him.

He has already said this week that getting 7th or 8 th next season will be good, depending on recruitment.

I want more from my club

Arsenal fall into the same category as us, you run a poll here and the majority will want a 'foreign' appointment, doesn't matter if he's from the arse end of the icelandic league just as long as he's got a foreign name, Dyce & Howe are abused here (bar a handful) when they are mentioned here in regards to the next manager.

I'm 42 and I can't see Everton winning the league within the next decade, hope I am wrong but the last couple of years to me have set up back abit and I am not only talking Sam here, we have lashed out the bones of 300m on players and probably have 5 that are worthy of a spot on the team, so we all know we need more but I cant see the Mosh throwing another 200m down the drain for the remaining 6 or so players we need, I hope I am wrong.

Spurs could impolde if sales are happening and depending on Arsenal and how the succession goes there they could be out of kilter for a season or 3, but that still leaves Utd, City, Pool & Chelsea, we are not going ahead of them anytime soon. So Uefa cup is our best bet for the forseeable future.

 

[Caolam]

Only one more game to go!

 

[Neiler]

I think you argue the case well for stability and retaining Allardyce and I can see the logic in avoiding too much change.

In addition I thought Allardyce offered some of the managerial attributes we needed back before Christmas but I think to keep him would just represent yet another wasted year when we are already miles behind.

It was clear Moshiri didn’t want him for any more than six months. Some of the criticism levelled at Allardyce is too personal for my liking but he has offered no compelling reasons in my view why he should be allowed to stay.

That, combined with the level of either strong dislike and contempt for him, hatred almost, makes his stay here untenable.

There is an overwhelming sense that he did what he was brought in to do, but that he cannot and will not take us an inch further and almost seems not to want to either which I find both bizarre and unacceptable.

Kenwright staying will probably be the element of continuity that Moshiri is looking for and I’ll take that as a quid pro quo for all of the rest leaving.

We have become moribund, stale and boring. We desperately need someone, in fact several people to grab the club by the scruff of the neck and shake it from its torpor. Doing nothing for another year just postpones dealing with our problems. Imagine what it would be like by Christmas with more of this.

Excellent post mate, agree on a lot of point and im not really an advocate for Allardyce, i just consider myself probably on the mid spectrum of either extreme. The continuity, stability and earning an opportunity and my belief that sacking managers is a bad thing probably has me veering on not minding him get another year. I agree though im not sure how tenable another year with him is, the abuse he gets is far form my taste as well to be honest.

 

[devo85]

I could well be wrong mate, its a view point is all and a carefully considered one. I respect your post though, a lot of the posts in this thread are ill evidenced based and very infantile, i respect that you bothered to give reasons for your opinion, beyond referring to gravy or coming up with abusive ways of insulting a man. I still stand by my view point mind, i know its not the popular narrative. Im quite saddened about the treatment Allardyce is getting if i am honest and im not a particular advocate of his, regardless if he stays or goes i think he deserves some respect and appreciation for the job he has done in the context.

I disagree on a few point especially on Martinez and Koeman and fan boom and bust love for them.

Im not a particular advocate of Allardyce, but i believe the club is relatively unstable at the moment and i believe there is more change coming. I believe there needs to be stability in places stability can be achieved. I believe he has earned an opportunity. I also believe if you appoint a manager you have to back them, its part of what i believe works in football. Hiring and firing managers consistently i believe is fools gold, i believe there evidence there to support that.

Your right about stability in management but don't forget that this was a panicked appointment. In the time it took between the first approach to Watford and the realisation that they were not going to budge in their stance the board were clearly unnerved by the dramatic downturn in form. They approached Allardyce with a short term view to cover them until the end of the season and he called their bluff wanting a longer contract. While this was going on they were trying again with Watford and the form was getting worse until eventually they had to go back to allardyce and compromise on an 18 month contract.

Now I don't now all this as absolute fact but it sure makes sense and fits in with what we know. My question is, does this feel like the stability your after if the board have hired a manager who was not their first choice and that 80% of the fans do not want here?

Also , like you say, for the sake of stability the board back him and he stays, where do you think we will be in 12 or 24 months? What direction do you see us going? Do you think we will have advanced in style of play or league position?

The average premiership manager spends 20 months in the job so I think it is far more important that the stability you desire is built into the structure of the club and it's playing style, recruitment philosophy and director of football. Set that framework in place and then hire the managers to fit into that framework.

 

[Neiler]

I want to watch an everton team which give me hope. That's all I ask. Without hope we may as well not exist. With Allardyce, there is no hope. I find it strange you can't grasp this. Unless you think 8th is really good?

I think its all well good people talking about ambition etc. Thats easy the truth is he has got us to our relative position as it has for almost 30 years. I think that argument is a bit of a cop out to be honest. Of course everyone would like Everton in the top 4 but we consistently havent done it is a third of a century. Not one appointment is going ot immediately change it, if people believe that they are fooling themselves, it will be incremental and based on building something if it is ever going to happen. Constantly changing the manager or dipping into a poor managirial market of low enough quality isn't going to help that trend IMO. The i want Everton be great argument and sack the manager and everything is ok, is very infantile for me mate. Arguably we have just been moving deck chairs around and staying 6th -8th at best for almost 30 years i dont see one appointment immediately changing that. Its boils down to people just not liking Allardyce in my opinion, its a personal thing.

 

[Neiler]

I have to watch this utter crap week in week out(my choice)...what back up points are you talking about? There is zero to discuss ...I go the game and witness this overwhelming utter tedium thats all the back up point you need...you are trying to come across as reasoned and balanced mate...doesnt cut it with me...its utter wham.. I dont give a shiny what you think...you and other trolls on here are the reason why we will only ever be second best...

Yeah mate ive no interest in listening to you whinge, others are making salient and good points. Best of luck to you though.

 

[Royalbm1]

Haven't read the last pages but surely he has to go after that display and reaction yesterday.. Woefull at best.

Please mosh, do the right thing!

 

[Billy Dean]

I think its all well good people talking about ambition etc. Thats easy the truth is he has got us to our relative position as it has for almost 30 years. I think that argument is a bit of a cop out to be honest. Of course everyone would like Everton in the top 4 but we consistently havent done it is a third of a century. Not one appointment is going ot immediately change it, if people believe that they are fooling themselves, it will be incremental and based on building something if it is ever going to happen. Constantly changing the manager or dipping into a poor managirial market of low enough quality isn't going to help that trend IMO. The i want Everton be great argument and sack the manager and everything is ok, is very infantile for me mate. Arguably we have just been moving deck chairs around and staying 6th -8th at best for almost 30 years i dont see one appointment immediately changing that. Its boils down to people just not liking Allardyce in my opinion, its a personal thing.

We’ve been mediocre for 30years so we should be happy with a manager who’s made a career of being nothing more than mediocre. Good argument.