Sam Allardyce

[ProZ]

If he'd been given the job FT the performances would have been improved and the results would have come.

These players wont respect a part timer. They dont even respect full timers if they stay longer than a season.

I disagree David

 

[dublinbluenose]

Sam knows how to work his audience.

All the best ones do, look at Klopp.

 

[Bluerobins]

Sam knows how to work his audience.

You say that as if it is a fault. I think it is a skill

 

[willo30]

They could have just been discussing the general state of the club and what Unsworth's assessment was of who was and wasn't pulling their weight. All we can do is accept what each said post match.

As I said we will never know.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

I agree with the spirit of that mate. But i have a different slant on it.

I will qualify it by saying i wasnt against Sams appointment, in fact for me he is underrated as a manager and despite his experience hasnt been given his corn or rather the opportunity to manage a club of this stature. In the context we found ourselves and the market open to us i think he was the best appointment, we can all name different managers we would have liked but the reality was the market was limited. I was worried, i can honestly say the performance against Southampton was one of the worst i have ever witnessed from an Everton team and i have seen a few. That result was a turning point i think in terms of decision making on our next manager.

In terms of the team, i know that Allardyce has gotten results since he came in, but for me a lot of the credit goes to Unsworth and Royle the West Ham game turned the tide in my opinion in terms of confidence. I think it created a better environment for him to come into or a baseline standard set. For me he is getting a lot of credit for the turn around and results have been good but the green shoots were there, so i dont buy into the miracle worker tag. I think he himself to be fair has acknowledged as much seeming bemused about the position this team found themselves in just before he arrived.

Certainly results have improved, the team are more functional, pragmatic and organised. The style of play hasn't really changed we just execute it better and more orderly and its nuts and bolts and results orientated. Development is required in terms of style and identity being proactive on our strengths instead of being pragmatic or focusing on others weaknesses. That is key for his success here in the long term and a challenge for him, it will ultimately be demanded by supporters when fear subsides and ambition kicks in.

We expected what we are getting at the moment and we shouldn't expect anymore just a few games into his tenure. The real challenge for him gong forward is that there will be a point of expectation, it wont be enough just to be at this level and be happy with it for to long. Everton and all associated need and crave, progress both in term so for identity as a team, club, style of play and in terms of footballing success, the sheen of improvement and getting results will wear of and we will look for progress.

That progress is the challenge and question that Sam has to answer, certainly he can keep us at this current level as he has historically. But when you look at what ended him at West Ham it was the fans wanting more, in terms of progress and challenging the glass ceiling. That will ultimately happen here and that is the measure of success or failure he will be judged on. This season is a honeymoon period in my opinion and i'm sure we will bloody a few noses and finish close to the European spots maybe even sneak one. But the bigger challenge for him lies in the development of this club, rather then threading water and actually challenging for the champions league, that is the standard he will succeed or fail on and the developmental pathway of getting there or not.

Yes the steps forward will be very testing and it remains to be seen if Sam can really take us on from here. It's also very much perhaps, exactly why he was only given 18 months rather than longer. In my opinion having all but completed the immediate task he should be given the chance.

The appointment was a recognition of just how precarious the position was following a string of well below par performances culminating in the despair at Southampton. The board had finally realised the urgency of the situation and focussed their attention on what was really important. Gone were the aspirations of having everything now, turning us around, points and moving us clear from the mire, anyone anyway by any method was acceptable, just doing it was all that counted.

I think any credit due to Unsworth and Royle for West Ham has to be at least qualified because of there being such a transformation in the performance of the players, so the question is always why did it happen?

Yes it could have been entirely due to the players suddenly playing for Unsworth, even if they knew the new man would be in charge at the weekend or they might also have been trying to impress their soon to be manager who they knew was watching over them in the stands.

The fact it was such a marked improvement on anything they'd previously shown under David makes me think it was a larger slice of the latter rather than the former.

Temporary managers can always struggle having no permanent authority, players know he'll be off soon and I can put the yards in when the new guy comes, so often there's a bounce for a new manager that it hardly needs him to do or say anything.

 

[ProZ]

How? By being a decent man?

He’s not allowed to be a nice fella otherwise he’s working the crowd, remember lad he’s a fat crook that is bleeding our club dry.

 

[davek]

How? By being a decent man?

I'm sure he was being genuine. I just know he'd also be aware that it'd go down well at this club.

 

[davek]

I disagree David

You've seen what these players can do.

 

[willo30]

I'm sure he was being genuine. I just know he'd also be aware that it'd go down well at this club.

Fair do's. It's a perfect example though that any situation can be turned to look any way someone wants it to look nowadays.

 

[davek]

Fair do's. It's a perfect example though that any situation can be turned to look any way someone wants it to look nowadays.

...some people used to see Naismith's charity work in that light.

 

[ProZ]

You've seen what these players can do.

All Unsworth needed to do was concentrate on getting those players to defend first as a unit, in none of his games did anyone go onto the pitch with the mindset to defend.

He just didn’t have the experience to get us out of that kind of mess.

The only game that looked evident was West Ham.

 

[davek]

All Unsworth needed to do was concentrate on getting those players to defend first as a unit, in none of his games did anyone go onto the pitch with the mindset to defend.

He just didn’t have the experience to get us out of that kind of mess.

The only game that looked evident was West Ham.

We're still hopeless back there though. Look at the Swansea goal last week.

 

[willo30]

All Unsworth needed to do was concentrate on getting those players to defend first as a unit, in none of his games did anyone go onto the pitch with the mindset to defend.

He just didn’t have the experience to get us out of that kind of mess.

The only game that looked evident was West Ham.

That the big one "Experience". Can't believe PL teams do this, to me Swansea are as good as gone with their decision.

I'd love Unsy to manage us one day but he has to earn it like everyone else has.

 

[trueblue10]

Sam knows how to work his audience.

Imagine the fume worldwide if he had said he thinks food banks are the way forward.

Get off the mans back Dave.

 

[trueblue10]

We're still hopeless back there though. Look at the Swansea goal last week.

I'd rather look at the 3 we scored.