Sam Allardyce

[Khalekan]

A bit of revisionist history that, things turned to dust in the last year and a half of his reign, not just the last 4-5 months. We were dreadful in his second season starting from the first game, the only thing we had going for us was the europa league, but we won only 1 of our first 7 league games.

While he may have some idea of bringing up the youngsters, I think the issue with Roberto is he didnt have anything he was aiming for. He was lost as lost can be and had no idea what to do after his initial success, a one trick pony.

No "revisionist history", just a difference of opinion as to when it all went wrong for Bobby.

For me it was that fateful 15 minutes in March 2016 when Lukaku could have killed Hammers off but missed a penno then Oumar was brought on as an extra striker when the game should have been shored up with us leading by two goals and down to ten men.

That is when I flipped to the Martinez Out camp and changed my vote in the weekly Poll we had then.

Lukaku nails that penno and the one at Wembley, this would be a whole different club right about now IMO.

You might have a different idea but that's OK.....I won't tell you that you are "revising" history.

But that is just playing with semantics anyway as the point of my post was that Bobby had stated in an early interview that there was a different way to compete if you don't have oil money backing you up and that was to build a team of brilliant youngsters to augment your seasoned pros.

And whatever else you might think about his sophomore season and indeed his final one, you cannot deny that we were not sitting on the first Saturday in January lamenting the fact that our season was over.....as we have been doing in the two seasons since his departure.

No sir, you cannot.

 

[BernieWright13]

I think out all the main clubs in England Everton, Liverpool, Man City, Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.Only Everton would have fans, who are reasonably contented after going out of the FA Cup to one of their rivals.We are the only club, who would have fans saying give the manager another season, as a response to our last hope of a trophy this season going up in smoke.

Everton is a massive club, we are a sleeping giant, but some of our fans have the mentality of a Stoke or a West Brom supporter.Evertonians are a lot more happy to accept and tolerate failure and mediocrity, in comparison to supporters of our rival clubs.

Exactly this. And our willingness to happy clap chronic underachievement is how the people running our club have got away with taking the p155 for so many years.
And then, Moshiri serves up Fat Sam....

 

[jceverton]

No "revisionist history", just a difference of opinion as to when it all went wrong for Bobby.

For me it was that fateful 15 minutes in March 2016 when Lukaku could have killed Hammers off but missed a penno then Oumar was brought on as an extra striker when the game should have been shored up with us leading by two goals and down to ten men.

That is when I flipped to the Martinez Out camp and changed my vote in the weekly Poll we had then.

Lukaku nails that penno and the one at Wembley, this would be a whole different club right about now IMO.

You might have a different idea but that's OK.....I won't tell you that you are "revising" history.

But that is just playing with semantics anyway as the point of my post was that Bobby had stated in an early interview that there was a different way to compete if you don't have oil money backing you up and that was to build a team of brilliant youngsters to augment your seasoned pros.

And whatever else you might think about his sophomore season and indeed his final one, you cannot deny that we were not sitting on the first Saturday in January lamenting the fact that our season was over.....as we have been doing in the two seasons since his departure.

No sir, you cannot.

I thought it was clear half way through his second season but ultimately you’re correct what was important is that he had long term vision which I think the majority of supporters bought into. What we should have done is find a better manager to implement it. This is similar to what Liverpool did when they replaced Rodgers with Klopp.

The big problem is that no one has a strategic vision of how we are going to achieve anything which is why we are jumping round in a schizophrenic manner from Martinez to Koeman and now to Allardyce. Unfortunately this approach will get us absolutely nowhere.

 

[BernieWright13]

Lose next week and he equals Koeman's record of 4 losses in a row. Hope he meets the same fate

rummages for prayer mat

 

[4737carlin]

Lose next week and he equals Koeman's record of 4 losses in a row. Hope he meets the same fate

Koeman lost with his squad? Sam hasnt got one so far, well one player, who hasnt even played so far, im looking forward to seeing what Sam does in the summer and how we start next season, he has a minumum of 12 months from now

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Martinez had to go.The problem was that we didn't replace him with the right manager.Hence we now have Sam Allardyce in our dugout!

 

[spudmuncher]

Our expectations have dropped so much under big Sam that we think 1 shot on target is now a good performance

 

[nsno-chris]

Tick tock
tick tock

5 months

 

[jceverton]

I think out all the main clubs in England Everton, Liverpool, Man City, Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.Only Everton would have fans, who are reasonably contented after going out of the FA Cup to one of their rivals.We are the only club, who would have fans saying give the manager another season, as a response to our last hope of a trophy this season going up in smoke.

Everton is a massive club, we are a sleeping giant, but some of our fans have the mentality of a Stoke or a West Brom supporter.Evertonians are a lot more happy to accept and tolerate failure and mediocrity, in comparison to supporters of our rival clubs.

Nail on head.

 

[Khalekan]

Martinez had to go.The problem was that we didn't replace him with the right manager.Hence we now have Sam Allardyce in our dugout!

This 100% true.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

This 100% true.

But still though Martinez was a great cup manager.Sadly though league form was his undoing.A dodgy refereeing decision cost us against City at the Etihad, in that league cup semi final.Sadly against United at Wembley, Romelu probably played his worst ever game for us.So i think bad luck, played a part in those two semi final defeats with Roberto.

 

[Khalekan]

But still though Martinez was a great cup manager.Sadly though league form was his undoing.A dodgy refereeing decision cost us against City at the Etihad, in that league cup semi final.Sadly against United at Wembley, Romelu probably played his worst ever game for us.So i think bad luck, played a part in those two semi final defeats with Roberto.

I think Bob would have made a great Director of Football for us.

 

[Timak]

I thought the whole idea of the director of football model that we finally embraced was that:
We'd decide on a style of football across the club.
We'd recruit coaches who had a track record of being able to successfully coach that style of play.
We'd recruit players who played in that style of football, or who we believed could.
The club would recruit the players rather than the manager. The manager would be part of the decision process but the club would ultimately decide.

Instead we've gone Martinez-Koeman-Allardyce which makes no sense and when we do appoint a progressive coach like Fonseca we'll have a squad of Koeman/Allardyce mistmatched players and will struggle to make the style change.

 

[trueblue10]

Someone who can significantly over achieve given their resources, build a young side to break into the top 4 and challenge for the league. I don’t believe that Allardyce can do this and can see no evidence to suggest otherwise.

You mean a David Moyes type?

 

[Barnfred 55]

I think Bob would have made a great Director of Football for us.

Said exactly the same Khal when he left. He wouldn't have gone for that though so to that extent its a mute point.