Sam Allardyce

[Mathieubleucoyb]

And stay midtable

Silva + 200 mill in transfers we have a way better chance then staying with Sam

 

[EFC78]

No one has a “right” to expect us to go anywhere and win.

What we are entitled to expect however is for our manager to approach games against struggling teams with a more attacking mind and actually try to win them instead of merely trying to avoid defeat.

Which is exactly what happened and that pair of games stopped our revival under Sam stone dead in its tracks.

Especially as the next two league games were two which none of us suspected for a moment we would have won and as per usual, EFC don’t let us down when expectations are so low

As you say, we were well capable of winning at at least one of those venues.....that we never even gave it a go was criminal.

Agree completely.

I also felt very frustrated with Allardyce once we got back in the game at Anfield last week. They were without Salah and Coutinho and the momentum was with us once we got the equaliser. There was nothing at risk for him, and it was a great chance to just go for the win. We saw what Lookman could do to them by running at them and I think Vlasic was the perfect player to bring on to put them on the back foot. He didn't bring him on and then he will claim he made a positive sub with Niasse, but he took off Calvert-Lewin so it was just a personnel change rather than a decision to go for the win.

I reckon he was hoping for a replay which made little sense as Salah would have been back and we would have got our usual beating.

Hasn't convinced me he should be here beyond May.

 

[dannyboy]

If we sit back and let west brom dominate us, the goodison crowd will abolutely crucify him after 15 mins. I hope Duncan has got his ear because he understands what is expected at hiome.

The worst part is that I don't think the crowd will do anything. We just expect us to be that bad now.

 

[Khalekan]

The worst part is that I don't think the crowd will do anything. We just expect us to be that bad now.

Fair point, Dan.

 

[jceverton]

Who ended up far from.being an average manager,but if you'd been at a game and picked up a black.bordered pamphlet you could be excused for not.knowing the difference at the time.When we employed Allardyce Ive a feeling the number of candidates who actually had a trophy on.their CV was ....nil.

Not exactly making much of a case for employing Allardyce! In fact absolutely no case.

 

[kenada_blue]

Silva + 200 mill in transfers we have a way better chance then staying with Sam

The feller has done nothing to warrant that kind of investment.

We need to do better than Silva if we want to progress anywhere IMO.

 

[DanEFC92]

If we sit back and let west brom dominate us, the goodison crowd will abolutely crucify him after 15 mins. I hope Duncan has got his ear because he understands what is expected at hiome.

Does he? While being a member of the coaching staff the past 3 years(?) has he made a difference?

 

[Berenger]

It's a fact. Is saying that water freezes at 32 degrees 'cherry picking"?

What a bizarre thing to say. Do you understand what cherry-picking means? Clearly it depends on what you are trying to show.

The definition of a fact and cherry-picking them to fit a conclusion are two separate things. Simply because it is a fact does not mean that it leads to the conclusion.

You have presented one fact, but have knowingly omitted other facts that run counter to your argument. That is the definition of cherry-picking.

There are actually some good data-based arguments out there to support your conclusion. Sadly you just don't seem to know what they are.

 

[jceverton]

Apples and pears to an extent.

When Unsworth came in we were in the bottom three and with our confidence on the floor. When Allardyce came in we were within a win of the top half of the table and that provided the base for the initial run of acceptable results. Not to mention that Allardyce has had what Unsworth was never afforded: a FT position and the respect and focus from players attendant with that.

Was Unsworth the answer or a better bet to improve us more than Allardyce? Maybe, maybe not. But I doubt we'd be that worse off now if he'd been promoted to a FT role back in October. The style of football would have been more palatable and getting shut this summer to install a new manager less expensive.

Posted the same thing in the match thread for Tottenham. We should have appointed Unsworth until the end of the season from the start. I don’t think we’d be worse off and we’d be trying to play football. There wasn’t any great managerial alternatives and we should have waited until the end of the season before making an appointment. Instead we didn’t act logically and panicked with the Allardyce appointment.

 

[davek]

What a bizarre thing to say. Do you understand what cherry-picking means? Clearly it depends on what you are trying to show.

The definition of a fact and cherry-picking them to fit a conclusion are two separate things. Simply because it is a fact does not mean that it leads to the conclusion.

You have presented one fact, but have knowingly omitted other facts that run counter to your argument. That is the definition of cherry-picking.

There are actually some good data-based arguments out there to support your conclusion. Sadly you just don't seem to know what they are.

This is unarguable: Unsworth's brief tenure lifted us out of the relegation zone. We were down there when he started, we were out of it and within touching distance of midtable when he finished his stint.

The rest of "the facts" (subjective assertions mostly) dont really cut across that.

 

[Toffeelover]

At himself, Sammy Lee and big dunc

Could be, but need first and foremost to look at our so called professional footballers. Allardyce knows which ones, take them aside and make it clear they are finished at Everton.

 

[Toffeelover]

I'd start with Kenwright first, closely followed by Walsh

If only it was in his power, but I did say look at the players!!!!

 

[wainy]

How much we paid for the squad is totally irrelevant unless you win points by counting money.

It has been like this for ages, it was bad under Martinez at the end, it was bad under Koeman for large parts and we are still bad now as only one player has changed.

What exactly IS a club like Everton?

I never mentioned the cost of the squad. I said we shouldn't give the manager anymore money as he'll spend it on absolute dross that we won't be able to move on.

And until recently, Everton was a club that believed it should be challenging for trophies and competing at the top end of league. Now our success is measured by if we don't get spanked at a top 6 side away from home, or if we manage a draw at anfield.

 

[Toffeelover]

Agree completely.

I also felt very frustrated with Allardyce once we got back in the game at Anfield last week. They were without Salah and Coutinho and the momentum was with us once we got the equaliser. There was nothing at risk for him, and it was a great chance to just go for the win. We saw what Lookman could do to them by running at them and I think Vlasic was the perfect player to bring on to put them on the back foot. He didn't bring him on and then he will claim he made a positive sub with Niasse, but he took off Calvert-Lewin so it was just a personnel change rather than a decision to go for the win.

I reckon he was hoping for a replay which made little sense as Salah would have been back and we would have got our usual beating.

Hasn't convinced me he should be here beyond May.

Come on, we lost that because of a penalty cheat and a stupid GK error.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The word is we were blown away by Fonseca. He wanted it to happen as well.

Knowing our luck though Shakhtar will win the CL and RM, Barca or PSG will snap him up.

Pfffft So Everton that. Always the bridesmaid and never the bride.