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MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
But if he didn't trust youngsters he'd have been rotating Jagielka, Williams and Keane at centre back and had Niasse starting ahead of DCL up front.
Nymzee
Player Valuation: £150m
I didn't say he didn't trust them I'm just saying he always sounds reluctant but forced into using them. Jags, Williams and more so Keane have been injury prone. Baines being crocked means we now have 1 RB so Kenny has to play every game.
Name some.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
keane has been injured most of the time fat sam has been here. and the other 2 cant cope with the amount of games we've had recently.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
@Timak said he didn't trust youngsters, and never has done. It's a claim based on absolutely nothing.
Bolton - Kevin Nolan, Nicky Hunt, Vaz Te, Joey O'Brien
Blackburn - Phil Jones, Grant Hanley, Steven N'Zonzi, Junior Hoilett
West Ham - Ravel Morrison, James Tomkins
Sunderland - Jordan Pickford, Duncan Watmore
Young players he's either given debuts to or made key members of his teams. Whatever you think of him and his tactics, fine, I get it, but it's just false to say he's never played youngsters or doesn't trust them.
As I am sure you'll agree that is the issue.
He is a an upgrade on the 3 similarly aged players we already have at the club.
We paid £25m for Bolasie 18 months ago and we are upgrading him.
We paid £4m for Lennon a year before that.
Wages and fees between the 3 of them probably near £100m over their contracts and in 2 years time they'll all need replacing/upgrading and we won't be getting any fees back for selling them.
Compare with signing Lukaku, we got 4 years out of him and trebled our money.
Baines' left foot
Player Valuation: £90m
How has a 26 year old striker got no resale value??? It irritates me when people exaggerate to suit their agenda.
Im OK with Lennon and Walcott as being sunken costs. In no way did we need Bolasie, that one still irks me massively.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
Not really mate. It helped that both played a big part in the 4-0 West Ham game which was the first he watched. Baines and Keane were both injured so he had no option but to run with Kenny and Holgate, both of whom have been our best defenders since he joined. Kenny will be dropped as soon as Coleman is back, in the same way that DCL was when Cenk came in and Davies was when McCarthy was fit. A less than fit Bolasie is keeping Vlasic and Lookman out of the team, and Bene is nowhere near getting a look in now despite having a 5 game cameo in which he looked our most accomplished CM (plus that fraud Schneids starting most weeks). Plus Martina is playing 90 mins of every single game and completely upsetting the balance of the team, and not once has he considered bringing somebody through from the youth set up to at least give it a look. I guarantee you a manager like Klopp, or Ferguson, or Poch, or Pep would have done so.
I'm not saying that we should be cramming our team full of kids mate, but neither am I having it that this manager is somebody that systematically gives youth a chance, because it just isn't true. He's a safety first man and just watch this space, within a month I predict that our average team age will be back over 30 and our youngsters will be struggling to get a couple of places on the bench.
kenada_blue
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Go and ask Man City
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
So giving Vlasic and Lookman more game time to develop them, which is what we've been talking about here, is going to cost us 3 points every time we play them?.
Kenny, Davies and DCL need a bit of a break. Davies especially has probably played too much first team football over the last 12 months. DCL too out of necessity and Kenny over the last 12 games or so. But Lookman, Vlasic and Baningime are completely under used IMO. It's about balance with young kids. Don't think anybody's saying play them all at the same time. But you can rest Davies for Bene. You can introduce Lookman or Vlasic from the bench rather than Lennon. You don't have to start with both Rooney and Siggy every match. You can start one of Lookman or Vlasic against the likes of Albion at home.
I'm not sure if you realise just how potentially good some of these players are. Lookman could be world class if developed correctly. He was the most skilful player on show at the U20 WC last summer. Bar none. Vlasic has been in Croatia's full squad during the last couple of International breaks and will be hoping to force himself into their world cup squad (which country do you think will go further this summer, Croatia or England?).
No, what I am saying is that he should get some time. British manager's are somehow second class these days. If City treated their manager the way United treated Moyes he would not be there now. The league positions seem to be more governed by finance than managerial talent. All I am saying is that the better British people should get the time and shots at the top jobs. I think both Allardyce and Moyes are as good a bet as any with their respective budgets and am happy to wait and see. Could be right or wrong, we never really know in advance do we?
I said "trust" not play. Of course in the 850 or so games he has managed you can name players 21 and younger who he has given playing time to.
You have to compare him to the average manager to get a meaningful comparison.
And if I did that with managers with similar numbers of games managed - Ferguson, Moyes, Redknapp, Wenger - you would see his record of playing and buying young players is bad.
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