Sam Allardyce

[Khalekan]

Still as high as 16/1 to be sacked before the season is out.

Before the season is out?

Or to be the next manage to leave his post?

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Before the season is out?

Or to be the next manage to leave his post?

It's actually next manager to leave, so I've probably worded that wrong.

 

[Khalekan]

It's actually next manager to leave, so I've probably worded that wrong.

I thought that.

Otherwise I would be rushing to have a few quid on him being gone before the season is over lol

 

[RobC]

I know Koeman has blown a massive wedge on what look like pretty dross players (maybe actual coaching could change this) but he had very difficult starting fixtures and with Moshiris "expected losses" crap maybe he didn't try as much in some games because of this. Cant be arsed digging out the comparisons but surely fat boys league fixtures have been easier. My issue is that Moshiri was the driving force behind his appointment so doubt he will admit he was wrong so early and sack him now, people in powerful positions seldom admit mistakes and pass the buck to underlings/employees, bit like BFS does.

 

[JLW]

I thought that.

Otherwise I would be rushing to have a few quid on him being gone before the season is over lol

A defeat against Brighton with the toxic atmosphere and I think that’ll be his last game.

 

[Lob]

I am with you there about the possibility of him being gone very soon.

Because although I am not on Team Silva myself, I think that if Moshiri still wants him for next season then he would be better off acting now and signing him in case he takes up another offer, like at Baggies or somewhere.

Yep, if they do have someone in mind such as Silva, it would definitely make a lot more sense to do something about it before the season is over especially with it being a World Cup year which will inevitably mean that clubs are effected by it this summer. The settling in time and getting to know the club and players would be better done a.s.a.p i.e prior to the summer.

 

[bluenosematt]

This 100%. Ronald Koeman is without question the worst thing to happen to Everton in my lifetime. Not only would he probably have taken us down, but the total cost of putting his legacy right (IE, getting rid of the dross he bought) will likely cost in excess of £100 million.


Now Martinez...that’s a different matter. 2 Semi finals & a disappointing 12th with a tiny squad, a finished keeper, ageing defence & no cover across the squad....
If he’d been given half of what Koeman had, we wouldn’t be where we are now.

The atmosphere towards end of Martinez was horrible but think we afforded him more time because you could see he had a plan, albeit a flawed one. With koeman, allardyce, Walsh, Moshiri (refuse to blame Unsworth at all for this season btw), there is no plan. We're much worse of a mess now than we ever were under Martinez.

 

[bluenosematt]

And of course, if Martinez could have tweaked his (largely admirable) footballing philosophy to take defending/game management a little more seriously..

I liked Martinez a lot as a guy and still do but a complete disregard for defending, which he pretty much admitted, is not an admirable footballing philosophy.

 

[bcblue1878]

Or you could support the club you claim to support.

Wow! There's a distinct difference between supporting the club and blindly happy clapping every decision taken by the powers at the club! I will support Everton Football Club until my dying day, as did my Dad and his Grandad, and as my kids now do! I followed the team all over the country home and away during the Walker an Walter Smith years, did I enjoy it during those times - very occasionally it was ok, but most of the time it was pretty awful - but I still supported them! These days I do a 320 mile trip to home games!
However I did not, do not and will never ever support the terrible decision that was made to appoint this bloke as manager of Everton Football Club! It doesn't mean that I don't support the team! I always have and always will.
Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you should be calling out posters on here telling them that they "could support the club you claim to support"!

 

[Furey1878]

The atmosphere towards end of Martinez was horrible but think we afforded him more time because you could see he had a plan, albeit a flawed one. With koeman, allardyce, Walsh, Moshiri (refuse to blame Unsworth at all for this season btw), there is no plan. We're much worse of a mess now than we ever were under Martinez.

Agree to an extent mate but just imagine a Martinez side without Lukaku.

 

[BernieWright13]

I liked Martinez a lot as a guy and still do but a complete disregard for defending, which he pretty much admitted, is not an admirable footballing philosophy.

Not sure he ever 'pretty much admitted' his apparent disregard for defending. But in any case, it looked that way and I desperately wanted the man gone by the end. I stand by my admiration of his overall football philosophy in terms of his emphasis on attack. Like I said originally (and at the time when he was in situ), he needed to augment it with defensive discipline and game management, but as we know, he never did. He also seemed likeable and 'got' the club which is more than you can say for either of the obnoxious chancers we've had since.

 

[orly]

Agree to an extent mate but just imagine a Martinez side without Lukaku.

I don't need to, I remember how bad it usually was when Kone played up front.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Utter rubbish.

Our fans are notorious for showing their displeasure, we probably boo the team off more than any other set of fans in the country. We've been booing substitutions for weeks, booing our own players coming on, we've booed players passing the ball backwards when we're winning 3-0, booed them off at half time in a cup semi final that we were losing 1-0 to the most successful club in the country, hounded out successive managers and are well on the way to doing it again with a third.

We might not do the orchestrated marches and videos that Kopites do, but to suggest that we don't want success, or that we don't show dissatisfaction, is absolute garbage. It's like you've got a weird Noel Edmonds thing going on, where if we all just believed that we were dead good, we would be. It doesn't work like that. Even Liverpool with all their boss campaigns against everyone and every thing have got absolutely nowhere near the league title that they crave. United had a massive movement against the glazers, and everyone wore Norwich scarves and sang songs about how they were going to get them out and get their club back. Hows that looking 10 years down the line?

I follow Everton up and down the country, I cheer till i'm hoarse, I clap, I sing, I roar with everything I've got every time we cross the halfway line at Anfield, and I shout, swear and even boo when i'm not happy. Guess what? None of the things I've done have ever made us win a trophy. There are many, many people responsible for the mess we find ourselves in, but the 40,000 people who turn up every week are not.

Of course I don’t think that we can change everything through fan belief. It is however, the one thing at the club we can change and why should we expect the club to deliver the best when we no longer expect it? Even that lot over the park did more of a boycott over expensive tickets than we’ve done over anything recently.

Are you seriously saying to me that if the crowd at Brighton was 20,000 that that wouldnt send a message to Moshiri, the manager, and the players which would be very different to yet another full house of polite clappers shushing the odd boos?

It took the worst of Martinez to finally spark the fans into action and a few banners later and that clown was gone. Fan action can not dictate what the club does, but at the very least it should hold the club to account. Fan pressure increases media scrutiny on the club and it increases sponsor scrutiny on the club.

Sitting there just clapping every week achieves nothing.

 

[Sharpattack]

Every time I look at this thread I'm hoping to read that the fat mess has been binned

 

[peteblue]

In the echo....Sam Allardyce....

“What everyone has got to realise, certainly the players, it’s too many defeats again. If it goes three or four games without a win, but you’ve drawn three, the points total continues to tick over and you move forward.”