royalblue66
Player Valuation: £70m
He said it was about 15 on the website's, a couple of weeks back, there was 3k at Burnley, he is clinging on by a thread, the utter waste of space.
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
He knows he’s into his reputation damage limitation now, unfortunately in trying to defend himself he just keeps digging a bigger hole......
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I think he meant to say that only a few fans want him to stay, but he had a bit of pie crust stuck in his teeth.......
royalblue66
Player Valuation: £70m
Hahaha.
He`s just keeps on reinforcing the stereotype of himself.
If he wasn`t our manager, it`d be funny.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
Big Sam and the problem of being universally disliked
Date published: Monday 5th March 2018 9:41
When a club appoints a manager, his achievements are examined along with his win ratio, his training methods and his man-management. But in 2018, there’s one other important quality a manager needs to have and when it’s overlooked, things can quickly turn sour. What is it?
Likeability.
We all really want to like the manager. We want to enjoy the fact that they’re in charge of OUR club. The last thing we want is to have someone calling the shots who seems unpleasant, is miserable, arrogant, negative, stuck in his ways or even just horrible to watch or hear.
I realise this may appear shallow but you’ve got to remember the Premier League is a never-ending rolling drama, with every relationship and every character analysed, and in those circumstances, it is far from surprising that we might have an emotional connection to the boss, be it positive or negative or somewhere in between.
Tickets for Premier League games are expensive, despite clubs being awash with money, and managers and players are getting paid a small fortune. It has not gone unnoticed that everyone is getting rich except the fans, even though the fans are the only ever-presents in the football equation. Everyone else comes and goes. We’re still there.
Not unreasonably, this makes supporters more tetchy than they once were, feeling their loyalty is being exploited by those who do not share the ties that bind. And that sickens a lot of people. But you still go to the game because it is part of the ritual of your life. They are the flakey ones; you are the rock upon which the institution that is the football club is founded.
Back when top-flight football was cheap and no-one was a multi-multi-millionaire, it was a different dynamic. You’d put up with a lot more failure and tedium because you didn’t have that permanent mist of distrust and injustice hanging in the air.
But now we do and that’s why we must like the man in charge. If we don’t, then it makes us feel even more resentful of the situation. It feels like we’re being short-changed. We want as much pleasure for our spend as possible. We want the manager to bring value and be part of the entertainment.
If Sam Allardyce won every game, Everton fans still wouldn’t like him and would still be glad to see him sacked, in exactly the same way Newcastle, West Ham and Palace fans did. Those sets of supporters were given the ‘be careful what you wish for’ lecture by the usual media suspects who simply failed to understand that good football or bad football, it was the man himself they were against, the man himself they did not want in charge of their club. It really was that personal and that’s because your football club is a personal relationship, even if it’s just another pay-day for everyone else.
So when fans really dislike the manager, there really is no future in the relationship. For Everton fans. it is all the more galling for them to look across the park to see Jurgen Klopp provide such good value for his fans. They love how he is and that love increases their enjoyment on all fronts. It adds a thick layer of icing on their football cake. And it isn’t just about winning games, it’s more metaphysical than that; it is about affection and warmth.
A manager needs to be liked by the fans or risk spoiling their experience of every game, games they’re paying a lot of money to witness. Yes, winning a lot of games will delay the inevitable, but if you’re not liked by the fans then your tenure will be shorter. I suspect this will even be the case at Manchester United where the manager’s lack of joy seems to be mirrored by the team and is surely shared by some fans.
You don’t need to be a marriage guidance counsellor to realise that there is no love between West Ham fans and David Moyes and that everyone is just waiting for the divorce.
Look at all the likeable managers in the league. Klopp, Rafael Benitez, David Wagner, Chris Hughton, Pep Guardiola, Mauricio Pochettino, even owlish old Roy Hodgson and Sean Dyche. They’d all get the sack if there’s a string of terrible results across a few months – none are immune – but it would take a lot longer to happen and they’d still leave without a cloud of dislike surrounding them. You might argue that Arsene Wenger has only lasted so long because his fans like him as a person.
People have goodwill towards those managers in a way they don’t towards Moyes or Alan Pardew or Allardyce or even Mauricio Pellegrino at Southampton.
Huddersfield may well go down but Wagner will survive, largely because he is so well-liked. The same goes for Eddie Howe and Rafael at Newcastle. The Spaniard is the best example of this phenomenon. Even if he chooses to leave, the Geordies will still love him. Rafael is the anti-Allardyce and the perfect example of what a manager needs to be in 2018.
Last night on talkSPORT, Dean Saunders tried to sell the old idea that just being in the Premier League was the ultimate thing at any cost, regardless of the quality of the entertainment on the pitch or in the dug-out. But that’s just not true. Managers now get sacked for being boring and playing boring football. Fans want fun. Not just hanging on. And that’s not in any way unreasonable.
The truly modern manager understands all of this and doesn’t resist it. They know you have a duty to give good face, give good quotes and bind yourself to the fans, and equally not to speak as though you are eating slops out of a trough. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
John Nicholson
Date published: Monday 5th March 2018 9:41
When a club appoints a manager, his achievements are examined along with his win ratio, his training methods and his man-management. But in 2018, there’s one other important quality a manager needs to have and when it’s overlooked, things can quickly turn sour. What is it?
Likeability.
We all really want to like the manager. We want to enjoy the fact that they’re in charge of OUR club. The last thing we want is to have someone calling the shots who seems unpleasant, is miserable, arrogant, negative, stuck in his ways or even just horrible to watch or hear.
I realise this may appear shallow but you’ve got to remember the Premier League is a never-ending rolling drama, with every relationship and every character analysed, and in those circumstances, it is far from surprising that we might have an emotional connection to the boss, be it positive or negative or somewhere in between.
Tickets for Premier League games are expensive, despite clubs being awash with money, and managers and players are getting paid a small fortune. It has not gone unnoticed that everyone is getting rich except the fans, even though the fans are the only ever-presents in the football equation. Everyone else comes and goes. We’re still there.
Not unreasonably, this makes supporters more tetchy than they once were, feeling their loyalty is being exploited by those who do not share the ties that bind. And that sickens a lot of people. But you still go to the game because it is part of the ritual of your life. They are the flakey ones; you are the rock upon which the institution that is the football club is founded.
Back when top-flight football was cheap and no-one was a multi-multi-millionaire, it was a different dynamic. You’d put up with a lot more failure and tedium because you didn’t have that permanent mist of distrust and injustice hanging in the air.
But now we do and that’s why we must like the man in charge. If we don’t, then it makes us feel even more resentful of the situation. It feels like we’re being short-changed. We want as much pleasure for our spend as possible. We want the manager to bring value and be part of the entertainment.
If Sam Allardyce won every game, Everton fans still wouldn’t like him and would still be glad to see him sacked, in exactly the same way Newcastle, West Ham and Palace fans did. Those sets of supporters were given the ‘be careful what you wish for’ lecture by the usual media suspects who simply failed to understand that good football or bad football, it was the man himself they were against, the man himself they did not want in charge of their club. It really was that personal and that’s because your football club is a personal relationship, even if it’s just another pay-day for everyone else.
So when fans really dislike the manager, there really is no future in the relationship. For Everton fans. it is all the more galling for them to look across the park to see Jurgen Klopp provide such good value for his fans. They love how he is and that love increases their enjoyment on all fronts. It adds a thick layer of icing on their football cake. And it isn’t just about winning games, it’s more metaphysical than that; it is about affection and warmth.
A manager needs to be liked by the fans or risk spoiling their experience of every game, games they’re paying a lot of money to witness. Yes, winning a lot of games will delay the inevitable, but if you’re not liked by the fans then your tenure will be shorter. I suspect this will even be the case at Manchester United where the manager’s lack of joy seems to be mirrored by the team and is surely shared by some fans.
You don’t need to be a marriage guidance counsellor to realise that there is no love between West Ham fans and David Moyes and that everyone is just waiting for the divorce.
Look at all the likeable managers in the league. Klopp, Rafael Benitez, David Wagner, Chris Hughton, Pep Guardiola, Mauricio Pochettino, even owlish old Roy Hodgson and Sean Dyche. They’d all get the sack if there’s a string of terrible results across a few months – none are immune – but it would take a lot longer to happen and they’d still leave without a cloud of dislike surrounding them. You might argue that Arsene Wenger has only lasted so long because his fans like him as a person.
People have goodwill towards those managers in a way they don’t towards Moyes or Alan Pardew or Allardyce or even Mauricio Pellegrino at Southampton.
Huddersfield may well go down but Wagner will survive, largely because he is so well-liked. The same goes for Eddie Howe and Rafael at Newcastle. The Spaniard is the best example of this phenomenon. Even if he chooses to leave, the Geordies will still love him. Rafael is the anti-Allardyce and the perfect example of what a manager needs to be in 2018.
Last night on talkSPORT, Dean Saunders tried to sell the old idea that just being in the Premier League was the ultimate thing at any cost, regardless of the quality of the entertainment on the pitch or in the dug-out. But that’s just not true. Managers now get sacked for being boring and playing boring football. Fans want fun. Not just hanging on. And that’s not in any way unreasonable.
The truly modern manager understands all of this and doesn’t resist it. They know you have a duty to give good face, give good quotes and bind yourself to the fans, and equally not to speak as though you are eating slops out of a trough. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
John Nicholson
thebluenosebolt
prefer being behind the times
No, Not really, I stopped following him when he left.
I get it...
He never got the old us, we were never the school of science under moyes. I tell you what though, He got us best of the rest on a pittence...most importantly though, He understood that teamwork and hard graft can more than supplement a lack luster squad. Keep the squad small and the unity becomes stronger. Moyes got Everton, He worked miracles on what many called a rough set season after season and very often improved. Something every manager so far has bungled.
I don't care how he has done at other clubs. For one he was not given time or budgets at any of them. He was IMO a good solid Everton manager. Thats something I have not been able to label anyone else since.
Kenshin
Player Valuation: £40m
Ok, i am going to disagree with this notion of Moyes 'got everton'.
He didn't, or at least the everton we used to be. We used to be a club that won things, that challenged for league titles, sure we had times away from that but being the 4th most succesfull club in the country doesn't come from being unsuccesful.
What moyes did is turn us into the club we are today (minus the bleedin circus we are now). the underachievers, the bottlers, a club that essentially is going nowhere any time soon. That is us, it is now part of our DNA. Winning used to be part of our DNA, we were the mighty everton, even when we were crap we could beat anyone on our day, Derbys included. Now what? 8 years since we last won against liverpool, 23 years since a last trophy, actually got worse when other clubs like spurs have improved beyond us.
So Moyes didn't get everton. He may have done a good job under difficult contraints and we should be thankful we aren't in the championship now because of him. We should be thankful he brought some great players here, and installed team spirit.
but he never got who we were, and now we are David Moyes' Everton, Terrified of taking a chance.
MrGrumpy
Player Valuation: £50m
We would of still finished 5th and 11th and 13/11th
JLW
Player Valuation: £60m
There’s no denying he done a good job at us, he had 10 years here where he could lay foundations throughout the club and worked under Bill with zero pressure on him. That’s not feasible to do at clubs anymore. Ive seen absolutely nothing since Moyes left us to think he would come back and do a good job, he has a small time mentality and as recently as last season just got a team relegated!
Come on mate as good as job as he did I wouldn’t want him anywhere near this club again.
How can he have turned us into bottlers if we need to be grateful to him that we're not in the Championship? He didn't make us the club we are, we were a shambles before he came, an absolute basket case of a club. He did a good job in the circumstances, better than three or four managers before him and better than three or four after. He wasn't the great manager we wanted but trying to blame him for the fact that we hadn't won a trophy for years before he came and haven't for years after is just a bit weird to be honest.
kenada_blue
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Big Sam and the problem of being universally disliked
Date published: Monday 5th March 2018 9:41
When a club appoints a manager, his achievements are examined along with his win ratio, his training methods and his man-management. But in 2018, there’s one other important quality a manager needs to have and when it’s overlooked, things can quickly turn sour. What is it?
Likeability.
We all really want to like the manager. We want to enjoy the fact that they’re in charge of OUR club. The last thing we want is to have someone calling the shots who seems unpleasant, is miserable, arrogant, negative, stuck in his ways or even just horrible to watch or hear.
I realise this may appear shallow but you’ve got to remember the Premier League is a never-ending rolling drama, with every relationship and every character analysed, and in those circumstances, it is far from surprising that we might have an emotional connection to the boss, be it positive or negative or somewhere in between.
Tickets for Premier League games are expensive, despite clubs being awash with money, and managers and players are getting paid a small fortune. It has not gone unnoticed that everyone is getting rich except the fans, even though the fans are the only ever-presents in the football equation. Everyone else comes and goes. We’re still there.
Not unreasonably, this makes supporters more tetchy than they once were, feeling their loyalty is being exploited by those who do not share the ties that bind. And that sickens a lot of people. But you still go to the game because it is part of the ritual of your life. They are the flakey ones; you are the rock upon which the institution that is the football club is founded.
Back when top-flight football was cheap and no-one was a multi-multi-millionaire, it was a different dynamic. You’d put up with a lot more failure and tedium because you didn’t have that permanent mist of distrust and injustice hanging in the air.
But now we do and that’s why we must like the man in charge. If we don’t, then it makes us feel even more resentful of the situation. It feels like we’re being short-changed. We want as much pleasure for our spend as possible. We want the manager to bring value and be part of the entertainment.
If Sam Allardyce won every game, Everton fans still wouldn’t like him and would still be glad to see him sacked, in exactly the same way Newcastle, West Ham and Palace fans did. Those sets of supporters were given the ‘be careful what you wish for’ lecture by the usual media suspects who simply failed to understand that good football or bad football, it was the man himself they were against, the man himself they did not want in charge of their club. It really was that personal and that’s because your football club is a personal relationship, even if it’s just another pay-day for everyone else.
So when fans really dislike the manager, there really is no future in the relationship. For Everton fans. it is all the more galling for them to look across the park to see Jurgen Klopp provide such good value for his fans. They love how he is and that love increases their enjoyment on all fronts. It adds a thick layer of icing on their football cake. And it isn’t just about winning games, it’s more metaphysical than that; it is about affection and warmth.
A manager needs to be liked by the fans or risk spoiling their experience of every game, games they’re paying a lot of money to witness. Yes, winning a lot of games will delay the inevitable, but if you’re not liked by the fans then your tenure will be shorter. I suspect this will even be the case at Manchester United where the manager’s lack of joy seems to be mirrored by the team and is surely shared by some fans.
You don’t need to be a marriage guidance counsellor to realise that there is no love between West Ham fans and David Moyes and that everyone is just waiting for the divorce.
Look at all the likeable managers in the league. Klopp, Rafael Benitez, David Wagner, Chris Hughton, Pep Guardiola, Mauricio Pochettino, even owlish old Roy Hodgson and Sean Dyche. They’d all get the sack if there’s a string of terrible results across a few months – none are immune – but it would take a lot longer to happen and they’d still leave without a cloud of dislike surrounding them. You might argue that Arsene Wenger has only lasted so long because his fans like him as a person.
People have goodwill towards those managers in a way they don’t towards Moyes or Alan Pardew or Allardyce or even Mauricio Pellegrino at Southampton.
Huddersfield may well go down but Wagner will survive, largely because he is so well-liked. The same goes for Eddie Howe and Rafael at Newcastle. The Spaniard is the best example of this phenomenon. Even if he chooses to leave, the Geordies will still love him. Rafael is the anti-Allardyce and the perfect example of what a manager needs to be in 2018.
Last night on talkSPORT, Dean Saunders tried to sell the old idea that just being in the Premier League was the ultimate thing at any cost, regardless of the quality of the entertainment on the pitch or in the dug-out. But that’s just not true. Managers now get sacked for being boring and playing boring football. Fans want fun. Not just hanging on. And that’s not in any way unreasonable.
The truly modern manager understands all of this and doesn’t resist it. They know you have a duty to give good face, give good quotes and bind yourself to the fans, and equally not to speak as though you are eating slops out of a trough. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
John Nicholson
Very true.
But both sides cloud opinions. Klopp will the the longest serving manager at the pit not to win anything since Roy Evans. Even King Kenny turned up in a stop gap and won their last trophy. But Klopps "passionate" so takes longer for the daggers to turn.
No one likes Big Sam. He'll do an average job which is enough for a fanbase to go sour faster
bcblue1878
Player Valuation: £50m
This with bells on!!!!
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
To be fair he did have the benefit of being there 11 years too as opposed to just over a season and a couple of weeks...
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