Seamus Coleman

[Zatara]

Wouldnt argue with that.

But. IF the whole league did it, some of the woes of the national side might be sated. Wont happen mind, but like I said, good idea.

Lets say we have some quality in the u23s apart from right wing...we should be looking in England and overseas for a top u21 winger who can go into the u23s and push for a 1st team spot.

Thats what we should be spending money on as a priority...thats how we can improve rather than competing with City and the rest in spending.

Arsenal did it with Bellerin and Fabregas and a few others...thats what we need to do also but not be afraid to lay down decent money.

 

[Zatara]

Did you say the same when Kone scored his hatrick?

Kone isnt u23...nice try.

 

[ilikecheese]

Did you say the same when Kone scored his hatrick?

Kone wouldn't exist in Zat's world.

 

[Goat]

Kone isnt u23...nice try.

I must have missed the bit where age is important.

Surely Kone should have retained his place?

 

[Zatara]

You cant stand the Manager.

So, imo, if he flops, you will be vaulting yourself all over the shop. And winning the internet.

I dont vault people...besides hes flopping already like a beached whale.

 

[ilikecheese]

We'd be relegated in Zat's world...but hey ho the kids get a chance.

 

[Zatara]

I must have missed the bit where age is important.

Surely Kone should have retained his place?

u23 = players under 23 with star potential (which i wrote in my post)

D-.

 

[Zatara]

Aye, the first bit's fair enough, but I think someone coming on as a sub and doing well should only really result in them getting a place in the starting eleven if the player they're replacing is out of form.

Subs come on for all sorts of reasons after all.

Sure...thats debatable.on the day.

 

[Goat]

u23 = players under 23 with star potential (which i wrote in my post)

D-.

So its only healthy competition if the player is U23?

Gotcha.

 

[Zatara]

Almost 4am here so final thought on Coleman.

Hes been quality in some games but generally over the past 2 seasons not the best. Holgate came in and improved game on game culminating in exciting attacking runs and crosses with a solid defensive display earning him motm.

He should be in the side and bar Colemans first couple of games back hes not been as good as Holgate had become..

If places are given on merit then Coleman should make way for Holgate....Jagielka should also make way for Mori or Holgate.

If not then there is no competition for places and no merit for performances.

 

[Goat]

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/james-mccarthy.60038/page-225#post-2741948
"In the words of Keegan, I would LOVE it to see Ledson, McCarthy and Barkley smash them in a couple of seasons once ledson is ready."

Full name Ryan Graham Ledson
Current team
Oxford United
League League One


No further questions your honour.

 

[Zatara]

So its only healthy competition if the player is U23?

Gotcha.

try reading my post...

1st eleven are the best players
2nd eleven are u23 with star potential

Thats what we need to have to progress and have competition...when its not there then sign top u21s or ready made 1st team stars

useless having kones cleverleys oviedos and valencias in the squad.

 

[Zatara]

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/james-mccarthy.60038/page-225#post-2741948
"In the words of Keegan, I would LOVE it to see Ledson, McCarthy and Barkley smash them in a couple of seasons once ledson is ready."

Full name Ryan Graham Ledson
Current team
Oxford United
League League One


No further questions your honour.

what has that got to do with any of the posts i made here?

Have a lie down.

 

[Goat]

Almost 4am here so final thought on Coleman.

Hes been quality in some games but generally over the past 2 seasons not the best. Holgate came in and improved game on game culminating in exciting attacking runs and crosses with a solid defensive display earning him motm.

He should be in the side and bar Colemans first couple of games back hes not been as good as Holgate had become..

If places are given on merit then Coleman should make way for Holgate....Jagielka should also make way for Mori or Holgate.

If not then there is no competition for places and no merit for performances.

And yet you say Kone shouldnt have replaced Lukaku.

Is that maybe cos in your eyes replacing a younger player with an older player doesnt fit your agenda?

 

[Armaghtoffee]

What we should have is a first 11 (senior pros) and a second 11 (u23s)

The first eleven has the current best players in it and the second eleven has u23s who can potentially be premier league stars.

During games the three subs should be used to give these u23s game time...remember they are all potential stars so can also positively impact games.

During this time if a first eleven player is sub-par or suspended/injured and an u23 comes in and performs well then he keeps his place

At this stage lets use the example of Holgate/Coleman. Holgate is motm in his last game...thus he keeps his starting spot.

In the u23 league Coleman then starts and Kenny is either played in an alternative position or benched but gets minutes as a sub. When Coleman is sub-par or injured/suspended then Kenny takes his place.

Rinse and repeat

Eventually you 'should' see strong competition for places with the hungry u23s pushing the senior pros and keeping their place on merit.

However under Koeman this is not the case.

During the course of the season if the u23 player has pushed out the senior pro then the senior pro should be sold and another young player promoted to be understudy.

In this case if Holgate took Colemans place for most of the season then Coleman would be sold and Kenny would be understudy to Holgate.

When necessary we can also buy stars from overseas if the 1st team player isnt good enough and the u23 player isnt ready to step up

All I took from that is that your bench and substitutions are based on age.