2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Charro]

Tim played nearly every minute of our first 4 games, as well as the cup game vs saints. He was one of the few bright spots for us in those games.

Then got dropped once players with more experience came back (first few games we had no midfielders on the bench).

Since then, has had only 30mins across the next 4 games.

And we haven’t lost any of those games and gone from having the worst defence in the league to the best over that four game period.

He may have looked good, but off the ball he was terrible and leaving gaps everywhere.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We lost all four games and conceded 13, We haven't lost in the last four he hasn't played and have conceded 2, there is a reason he has been dropped and it is nothing to do with age!

The balance of a side is a precarious thing. I don’t like Doucoure as a player particularly and think he’s terrible on the ball, yet when he’s in our midfield we seem to get better results than when he isn’t.

Iroegbunam looked great on the ball and I’m sure he has a big future ahead of him at the club but you have to make changes and we’ve tightened up since he’s out the team. That’s not saying it’s all down to him of course not. Just sometimes a change in the balance of the side in even one position creates benefits all over.

 

[Delargeinho]

Tim played nearly every minute of our first 4 games, as well as the cup game vs saints. He was one of the few bright spots for us in those games.

Then got dropped once players with more experience came back (first few games we had no midfielders on the bench).

Since then, has had only 30mins across the next 4 games.

It's a pretty strange thing, whilst he was a top 3 in all of these games, showing really promising things, we didn't win any of these.

Now Doucoure has taken the spot and was probably almost worst 3 in all of these matches, we won 8 points in these.

But surely that's not his fault. Keane and Young that were big weak points in the first 4 games, stabilized massively. We had shaky moments in all of those games, but surely we look better now than in the first 4 games.

He doesn't have to start every game, but should at least get regular game time which is more than 8minx on average in 4 games.

 

[Lanolin]

It's a pretty strange thing, whilst he was a top 3 in all of these games, showing really promising things, we didn't win any of these.

Now Doucoure has taken the spot and was probably almost worst 3 in all of these matches, we won 8 points in these.

But surely that's not his fault. Keane and Young that were big weak points in the first 4 games, stabilized massively. We had shaky moments in all of those games, but surely we look better now than in the first 4 games.

He doesn't have to start every game, but should at least get regular game time which is more than 8minx on average in 4 games.

He was eyecatching but you didn't have to look very hard to see his weaknesses. That's not even a criticism, he's a young lad with very little experience and he will no doubt learn and improve, but the midfield looks much more open when he plays and anyone denying/not seeing that isn't worth listening to to be honest. About 2 months ago people were saying he wouldn't kick a ball all season and was just a PSR swindle and now suddenly you'd think he was a shoe in to win the ballon d'or and not picking him every week is an unfathomable decision, it's purely agenda driven.

 

[Delargeinho]

Sean is 99% out at the end of the season & he knows it.

He doesn't give one about EFC beyond June 30th 2025. The kids are going to get zero playing time as it doesn't benefit the starting 11 for the here and now.

Jep, and this is rightly so. I think the main task of a manager is always the next game, and put a plan together to get out the best of it. Yet, you can think of a long-term process, in developing style, integrate players etc.
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Because in the end, Dyche is also making self-promotion for himself to get a new job after that, it can be in a good way or also bad way. It's where he can influence his future to a certain bit.

 

[Neiler]

Well, TFG would have to choose to give a new contract to Dyche, with his contract expiring at the end of the season

I've shared my admiration for the job Dyche has done. If he keeps us up, and leaves - I think as the years pass - Everton history will be very kind for him.

It should defo be looked at and the best candidate should get the job.

But also think if you are TFG there is a strategic decision to be made on a number of fronts on how much change you want to introduce at any one time and how much risk you want to take on as said there is inevitable change going to be a new ground, new board, new players - thats a significant undertaking and will take a while for all that percolate before biting - its where you can bring stability, consistency to offset the change that will help balance that. Im not wholly sure we will see a new broom on a number of fronts.

Im open minded on it all, but if i was i was ploughing 400 mill in - id be thinking very strategically about things and keeping some stability where i could. We remember trying to change too much too quickly under Moshiri - was carnage.

Maybe we could look to Newcastles takeover - interestingly the timelines are similar in terms of when they got their feet under the table midseason then how they executed change.

 

[blueboy72]

It's a pretty strange thing, whilst he was a top 3 in all of these games, showing really promising things, we didn't win any of these.

Now Doucoure has taken the spot and was probably almost worst 3 in all of these matches, we won 8 points in these.

But surely that's not his fault. Keane and Young that were big weak points in the first 4 games, stabilized massively. We had shaky moments in all of those games, but surely we look better now than in the first 4 games.

He doesn't have to start every game, but should at least get regular game time which is more than 8minx on average in 4 games.

Doucoure did play in first 2 games, 2 defeats and 7nil on aggregate
Maybe people need to look at the fixtures, Leicester, Ipswich and palace in 3 of our last 4

 

[Titus Bramble]

I think there in lies the point mate, there is inevitable change and then there is chosen change, if i was TFG id be managing the rate of change and be weighing very strategic decisions, to pace that. To much change to quickly isn't always a good thing. It needs to be strategic - if im TFG that's how im thinking.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made amongst the fanbase on what will happen, im not at all convinced it will be all new broom at all, in fact id be surprised if all you say above happens personally.

You may well be right, and I understand your logic, but of the changes I listed the only one which I can realistically see not happening would be a change of DOF. I'd imagine the new owners will want to get 'their man' in charge, and Dyche's contract being up this summer is the perfect opportunity for them to make the change without the need for a sacking.

We'll have to wait and see!

 

[Toffeelover]

And we haven’t lost any of those games and gone from having the worst defence in the league to the best over that four game period.

He may have looked good, but off the ball he was terrible and leaving gaps everywhere.

Depends on who we were playing.

 

[Raino85]

I see more in Chermiti tbf, he really looked promising the games he played before his injury.

Hope that long inhury won't be a big issue and he can start on the level he had in May-July.

Dyche picks experience over youth surely in most cases.

But we had a decent amount players getting 1000mins last season under 21.

Youssef Chermiti got 242 minutes

Lewis Dobbin got 227 minutes

No one else under 21 last season played any minutes?

Branthwaite was 21 last season, he played plenty, that's it!

 

[Raino85]

It's a bit sad, not a fan of forcing the playing of young players.

But Armstrong, Dixon, Chermiti are part of the future Everton project. One of them is injured.

They won't get experience and adapt when Dyche doesn't play or just for 2-3 mins every game.

Tim is ready to start multiple games, but the other 3 have the potential to become that as well.

Games like Bournemouth and Ipswich are perfect occasions to give 15-20 min.


We're in a transition season were we need to be top bottom half and also lay the base with the players that still we be here, because there is certainly 1/3 of the squad to be renewed.

You genuinely think any sane manager at 2-0 up away at Ipswich with 1 win in 7 games takes of his experienced right back & central midfielders for Roman Dixon & Harrison Armstrong?

 

[mikel_88]

The balance of a side is a precarious thing. I don’t like Doucoure as a player particularly and think he’s terrible on the ball, yet when he’s in our midfield we seem to get better results than when he isn’t.

Iroegbunam looked great on the ball and I’m sure he has a big future ahead of him at the club but you have to make changes and we’ve tightened up since he’s out the team. That’s not saying it’s all down to him of course not. Just sometimes a change in the balance of the side in even one position creates benefits all over.

Yeah dont think helped the back 4 but agree is a tough position to come in at with teams sometime playing 3 .still feel when fit he should be the 10 when he comes on would suit his game more so can still get forward but we can two other cm able to cover more defensively

 

[Raino85]

Cooper has these runs where he goes like 15 games without a win. Southampton and Ipswich will barely get to 20 points.

You are right on Wolves as well. I looked at sides with 1 point from 8 games, and it's only happened 6 times in the previously 30+ seasons. It's a horrendous start. On 4/6 occasions the side doing that gets relegated, and they average under 30 points from the season. And truthfully there are better sides in Wolves pushing the average up (City in 96, Sheffield Wednesday in 99) etc. Wolves have been tagging along the bottom half for a few years now, their underlying numbers have been even worse, and they've kept selling their best players. People talk about them like its Spurs or someone at the bottom. They have been hollowed out and are struggling big time.

We have found, it's hard once you are down there. Leicester the season they went are the best example, much better than Wolves (got 59 and 67 points the previous 2 years) and have 4 points from 8 games, but even when they went on a decent run, they just kept getting pulled back in.

I think Wolves (a bit like us) albeit selling at least 1 decent player a year, still have good players and more than enough in that squad.

Cunha is one of my favorite players in the league

The likes of Sa, Ait- Nouri, Lemina, Joao Gomes, Semedo are all decent players.

I think there problem is the manager, he's struggling to arrest a decline.

Out of interest, Everton under Dyche...how many points would you expect if we had Wolves' opening 8 games? Maybe 4 points if we snuck an away win at Forest or Brentford?

Arsenal (a)
Chelsea (h)
Forest (a)....they got a point
Newcastle (h)
Villa (a)
Liverpool (h)
Brentford (a)
City (h)

They play Brighton next which i imagine if they lose O'Neil will go, then after that, with new manager bounce

Palace (h)
Southampton (h)
Fulham (a)
Bournemouth (h)
Everton (a)
West Ham (a)
Ipswich (h)
Leicester (a)

Wolves will be perfectly fine.

 

[DualityNSNO]

You genuinely think any sane manager at 2-0 up away at Ipswich with 1 win in 7 games takes of his experienced right back & central midfielders for Roman Dixon & Harrison Armstrong?

Bournemouth was crying out for a change at right back to be honest and Dixon would've been on par with Coleman at least - I'd expect he would've done better though as Coleman was getting beaten for pace and was targeted as he was gassed and we needed fresh legs.

Ipswich I'd say was fine as is as they are a genuinely terrible team and it wouldn't have made a massive difference either way - 20 is maybe a lot but it's not incredibly unreasonable.

Implying Dyche is sane is questionable though.

 

[Raino85]

Doucoure did play in first 2 games, 2 defeats and 7nil on aggregate
Maybe people need to look at the fixtures, Leicester, Ipswich and palace in 3 of our last 4

Yup.

For example, wolves would be in 15th/16th if they had had these teams in there opening 8 games.