2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Iana]

Must be West Ham under Carlo in 20/21 if you talk in the moment of playing.

Or of the classical top 6, also Arsenal the same season, but they didn't finish top 6 that season.

We beat Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and drew with Man Utd away from home in that Carlo season.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think Wolves (a bit like us) albeit selling at least 1 decent player a year, still have good players and more than enough in that squad.

Cunha is one of my favorite players in the league

The likes of Sa, Ait- Nouri, Lemina, Joao Gomes, Semedo are all decent players.

I think there problem is the manager, he's struggling to arrest a decline.

Out of interest, Everton under Dyche...how many points would you expect if we had Wolves' opening 8 games? Maybe 4 points if we snuck an away win at Forest or Brentford?

Arsenal (a)
Chelsea (h)
Forest (a)....they got a point
Newcastle (h)
Villa (a)
Liverpool (h)
Brentford (a)
City (h)

They play Brighton next which i imagine if they lose O'Neil will go, then after that, with new manager bounce

Palace (h)
Southampton (h)
Fulham (a)
Bournemouth (h)
Everton (a)
West Ham (a)
Ipswich (h)
Leicester (a)

Wolves will be perfectly fine.

Well we got 15 from those games last season, so a lot more than 1.

Im not convinced they are that good, or that new manager bounces automatically happen, particularly with a depleted poor squad in trouble.

I Remember people saying similar about Leicester the year they went down. Who had a better squad, and more points.

 

[catcherintherye]

We won at Arsenal 1-0 a couple of months later

And from memory beat Spurs as well.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yet Tarkowski just last week admitted he's been playing with knocks, so not fully fit...

Both Doucoure and McNeil last season were rushed straight back into the first team after injury, Doucoures injury being a pretty serious one too, both looked way off the pace for weeks after.

He admitted he maybe rushed Branthwaite back too soon the other day.

He refuses to sub clearly exhausted players when he has subs on the bench unused. Who knows how much Tims injury came from that ultimately. Garner he deffo rushed back before being fully fit also, hence a few games then breaks down again for a durable player, same goes for Mykolenko, injured rushed back injured again rinse repeat.

The only single player you can use to show Dyche being cautious bringing players m back really is DCL

I honestly don't think he's too different to most players on fitness, and it was brave of him to leave Brainthwaite our last week.

The key issue is the subs. It's a big weakness for him. Like Doucoure/Gana are fine, but a few more weeks being run into the ground 90 minutes a game will see them drop off..

If you compare him to say how Ancelotti managed players in game, and it's night and day.

He also leaves McNeil on too long.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I honestly don't think he's too different to most players on fitness, and it was brave of him to leave Brainthwaite our last week.

The key issue is the subs. It's a big weakness for him. Like Doucoure/Gana are fine, but a few more weeks being run into the ground 90 minutes a game will see them drop off..

If you compare him to say how Ancelotti managed players in game, and it's night and day.

He also leaves McNeil on too long.

I agree completely on subs when we’re behind in a game. They just haven’t worked, the stats tell you that.

Equally though apart from two poor performances this season when throwing 2 goals leads away, we’ve actually been very good at keeping leads under Dyche to the point where if we score first we often go on to get results. People say oh we should have made subs at x point as players looked knackered or we were hanging on but some of these games finish and the opposition have barely had a chance of note so the question has to be was the
right choice made?

The one that annoys me more is not taking off players who are on a yellow card early on. The amount of reds you see from CBs, full backs and holding mids for second yellows is huge and there’s also missed tackles from players on yellows who can’t put a foot in. I don’t know why they’re not just swapped out at half time. That annoys me far more than players staying on for 90 mins.

 

[Hellerad]

We had a very bad combination of injuries after a season of few injuries. I think Dyche has been more scared to rush players back than in prior seasons.

But his refusal to sub goes way deeper than that. I don’t think he trusts the players.

 

[Toffeepot]

We had a very bad combination of injuries after a season of few injuries. I think Dyche has been more scared to rush players back than in prior seasons.

But his refusal to sub goes way deeper than that. I don’t think he trusts the players.

I don't think he trusts himself more when it comes to subs
'It's not easy making subs you know!?' from a manager who is paid £5mil per year to make those decisions points to major self doubt imo

 

[GoldenToffee]

I don't think he trusts himself more when it comes to subs
'It's not easy making subs you know!?' from a manager who is paid £5mil per year to make those decisions points to major self doubt imo

Yeah that kind of quote is absolutely ridiculous as a Premier League manager when you've got all kinds of options available on the bench. 15m centre half, several natural right backs, either Gueye or Mangala, soon will be Broja.

 

[Marius57]

I agree completely on subs when we’re behind in a game. They just haven’t worked, the stats tell you that.

Equally though apart from two poor performances this season when throwing 2 goals leads away, we’ve actually been very good at keeping leads under Dyche to the point where if we score first we often go on to get results. People say oh we should have made subs at x point as players looked knackered or we were hanging on but some of these games finish and the opposition have barely had a chance of note so the question has to be was the
right choice made?

The one that annoys me more is not taking off players who are on a yellow card early on. The amount of reds you see from CBs, full backs and holding mids for second yellows is huge and there’s also missed tackles from players on yellows who can’t put a foot in. I don’t know why they’re not just swapped out at half time. That annoys me far more than players staying on for 90 mins.

This season we have gone ahead 5 times and only won 2 of them. Scored first in 4 of those games. This season hasn’t been a good record at all.

Only game we have scored first and won this season is bloody Ipswich.

 

[Everton1654]

After that game I thought we were gonna win the league (even though Spurs should have scored a

No we beat Spurs away first game of that season as well, when Moshiri bought Ancelotti a Rolls Royce - I think it was Allan’s and Doucoure’s debuts. All during Covid.

I don't think we can count any of them wins where there was no one in attendance

 

[blueboy72]

The 'under Dyche' bit of that sentence is somewhat unnecessary.

Oh ok,
So we only compare dyche to Lampard or Rafael, when it’s positive?

 

[blueboy72]

We won’t lay a glove on the top sides under Dyche except for Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle and Liverpool - but apart from them.

Away from home I said,
That’s fact he goes into them games to keep the score down,
Not interested in trying to win the games

 

[blueboy72]

As opposed to all those away wins at those grounds before Dyche (covid season apart)

But dyche is a much better manager than Lampard and Rafael, you keep telling us this. My point is he doesn’t even try to win them games

 

[John from Bootle]

But dyche is a much better manager than Lampard and Rafael, you keep telling us this. My point is he doesn’t even try to win them games

Who cares if we 'try to win' those games? You say that like he actively wants to lose. There's ways to win other than just being kamikaze or even just attacking.

End of the day, we're not title challengers, we're not challenging for Europe. It would be nice to get results at some of their places, but it's not what Dyche will be judged on. It's not what any Everton manager will be judged on until we're actually challenging those sides in the table, and those results are actual 6 pointers, that will determine if we can push on.

No problem at all with him setting up conservatively. The odd one off win is not gonna undo or neutralise the damage to morale due to us getting thrashed by them regularly due to being naive and going to them grounds and being easy to play through.

 

[Saint Domingo]

This season we have gone ahead 5 times and only won 2 of them. Scored first in 4 of those games. This season hasn’t been a good record at all.

Only game we have scored first and won this season is bloody Ipswich.

Which is why I said under Dyche as in also including the season and a half he’s had before rather than an 8 game sample this season.