2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Brett Angell Delight]

Still Dyche out if we beat Fulham
Or Dyche maybe

Firmly Dyche out mate. He’s never going to reinvent himself into a manager that has us on the front foot and actually using the football in ways that don’t make my eyes bleed.

I’m genuinely grateful to the fella for getting us out of 2 scrapes that a lot of other managers would have failed at doing, but he isn’t a manager we can grow and evolve with. His work is done IMO.

 

[SteveWatsonAbsoluteGent]

Firmly Dyche out mate. He’s never going to reinvent himself into a manager that has us on the front foot and actually using the football in ways that don’t make my eyes bleed.

I’m genuinely grateful to the fella for getting us out of 2 scrapes that a lot of other managers would have failed at doing, but he isn’t a manager we can grow and evolve with. His work is done IMO.

100% we ain't going to grow with him.
I'm very much in the Dyche till end of the season camp.

I think it will be a mistake to get rid.
As you have said he's done a solid job with lack of support and situation.

I wouldn't be apposed of him bringing us in the BMD

Unless we have a better manager ready to come on

 

[RomanReigns]

Sean Dyche otherwise known as Sean Mark Dyche or the SMD

Do you really want the SMD to lead the EFC at the BMD?

 

[Marius57]

Which is why I said under Dyche as in also including the season and a half he’s had before rather than an 8 game sample this season.

But you started by caveating it with “apart from the 2 poor performances this season”. We can’t just put them aside to make it look better.

We have only won 1 of 4 when we have scored first this season. It’s a poor record so far this season.

 

[Eggs]

Sean Dyche otherwise known as Sean Mark Dyche or the SMD

Do you really want the SMD to lead the EFC at the BMD?

….if he’s offered a new deal, it would indicate we’ve done very well this season.

 

[Lanolin]

But you started by caveating it with “apart from the 2 poor performances this season”. We can’t just put them aside to make it look better.

We have only won 1 of 4 when we have scored first this season. It’s a poor record so far this season.

It's just a general point though isn't it? He's not putting them aside, he's just saying that they aren't necessarily indicative of how things generally go, and shouldn't be used as evidence of an issue. Last season we lost 3 games in which we'd scored first, 2 of which were against the best 2 sides in the league. It's quite clear then that the overall point he's making is a sound one - Dyche's decision making on substitutions when we're ahead can generally be seen as the end justifying the means. That doesn't mean it's all great and can't be questioned obviously, but he never said it was.

 

[MikeH72]

It's just a general point though isn't it? He's not putting them aside, he's just saying that they aren't necessarily indicative of how things generally go, and shouldn't be used as evidence of an issue. Last season we lost 3 games in which we'd scored first, 2 of which were against the best 2 sides in the league. It's quite clear then that the overall point he's making is a sound one - Dyche's decision making on substitutions when we're ahead can generally be seen as the end justifying the means. That doesn't mean it's all great and can't be questioned obviously, but he never said it was.

He attacks anyone that criticises anything Dyche does so he definitely believes that even if he doesn’t outright state it in that particular post.

 

[Lanolin]

He attacks anyone that criticises anything Dyche does so he definitely believes that even if he doesn’t outright state it in that particular post.

Fair enough, i've not been on here for a while so I can't really comment on that. On the flip side the poster i'm replying to appears to be exact the opposite based on what i've seen so it looks like maybe we've once again got a situation where people have felt the need to pick a side and stick to it rigidly rather than being able to think about things rationally. That's always healthy.

 

[Marius57]

It's just a general point though isn't it? He's not putting them aside, he's just saying that they aren't necessarily indicative of how things generally go, and shouldn't be used as evidence of an issue. Last season we lost 3 games in which we'd scored first, 2 of which were against the best 2 sides in the league. It's quite clear then that the overall point he's making is a sound one - Dyche's decision making on substitutions when we're ahead can generally be seen as the end justifying the means. That doesn't mean it's all great and can't be questioned obviously, but he never said it was.

Scored first in 20 games last season. Blew 7 of them. Took the lead first in 4 games this season, blew 3 of them.

I’d suggest it’s better than previous managers and it’s an allright record but it’s still not “very good”.

In my view, caveating something by saying “apart from these ones” is trying to put them aside. It’s like saying “apart from all the losses, dyches records excellent”.

 

[Marius57]

Fair enough, i've not been on here for a while so I can't really comment on that. On the flip side the poster i'm replying to appears to be exact the opposite based on what i've seen so it looks like maybe we've once again got a situation where people have felt the need to pick a side and stick to it rigidly rather than being able to think about things rationally. That's always healthy.

I am thinking rationally. Dyche did a decent job last year getting us to one point off 10th and top half. Percentage football but it did get us points.

Rational thinking would then suggest that having an expectation of survival this season is crazy based off that. But even Dyche constantly talks us down.

Dyche has been an ok manager but it’s poor football that lots of games could go either way (as evidenced by long runs of no wins etc). I’ll challenge those you try to make it look better than it is.

 

[Lanolin]

Scored first in 20 games last season. Blew 7 of them. Took the lead first in 4 games this season, blew 3 of them.

I’d suggest it’s better than previous managers and it’s an allright record but it’s still not “very good”.

In my view, caveating something by saying “apart from these ones” is trying to put them aside. It’s like saying “apart from all the losses, we have been excellent this last 5 years”.

I think calling any game where you take the lead and don't win 'blowing it' is a bit daft to be honest. We're a bottom half side, it would be quite astonishing if we won every game we scored first in. In a lot of instances it's clearly nothing to do with subs either, which was the point being discussed. If you want to put Luton scoring in the 31st minute, - 7 minutes after we took the lead - down to Dyche not making a sub fast enough then knock yourself out, but I'm not sure it's particularly helpful.

 

[Marius57]

I think calling any game where you take the lead and don't win 'blowing it' is a bit daft to be honest. We're a bottom half side, it would be quite astonishing if we won every game we scored first in. In a lot of instances it's clearly nothing to do with subs either, which was the point being discussed. If you want to put Luton scoring in the 31st minute, - 7 minutes after we took the lead - down to Dyche not making a sub fast enough then knock yourself out, but I'm not sure it's particularly helpful.

Well we didn’t win them, so we did blow the lead.

And the comment I was responding to was about that stating taking the lead and winning games. Yes there was a discussion about subs as well but that was a more general comment about us under Dyche.

 

[nevsonlymate]

One of the most sensible posts todate.

We all want the team to be successful. But when we have to sell our assets every year. Point deduction and no money to bring in players. Dyche is a good manager to come in and settle.

Look what happened with Allardyce..I was in the Camp Big Sam out.
Looking back we should have had one more season with him before getting in a progressive manager.

Allardyce problem was that it was all about him, even when we were safe around February with him he set out just not to loose games so his CV looked better to all the luvies in the media who love him , the end of season matches were as dull as dish water .

 

[blueboy72]

One of the most sensible posts todate.

We all want the team to be successful. But when we have to sell our assets every year. Point deduction and no money to bring in players. Dyche is a good manager to come in and settle.

Look what happened with Allardyce..I was in the Camp Big Sam out.
Looking back we should have had one more season with him before getting in a progressive manager.

We spent 45 mil this summer and 40mil the summer before, not including fees on loans and free’s. So no money is not quite true, we have a better squad than last season.

And Sam’s ( I’m I ok to call him Sam?) football was horrendous, stats terrible and he won his first game in November against one of the worst sides in the league Huddersfield and we went up to 9th I think maybe 10th. Anyway 6 months later we finished 8th. There’s no way he should have stayed just like Dyche shouldn’t.

Says more about you and your ambition as an Everton fan that you seem to like both

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

100% we ain't going to grow with him.
I'm very much in the Dyche till end of the season camp.

I think it will be a mistake to get rid.
As you have said he's done a solid job with lack of support and situation.

I wouldn't be apposed of him bringing us in the BMD

Unless we have a better manager ready to come on

I’d rather we got rid ASAP but that’s not a hill I’m necessarily prepared to die on. If we’re lower mid-table come Jan then probably pays not to rock the boat.