2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Librarian]

Not sure where the controversy is, nobody can say the football we are playing is anything other than awful. If people are pointing that out I don’t see how anyone can disagree with it.

I think it is the worst football in the league, that part you could debate but we’re definitely in the conversation.

The only side with a lower than 40% average possession, lowest number of passes completed, 3rd lowest for touches in the final 3rd.

Dyche told us when he came here that his reputation was unfounded, it isn’t.

Terrible.

 

[Blue Smoke]

I dont want dyche anywhere near the new friedkin transfer funds.
We need to be more like Brighton in having a vision of how we want to play, have technical director bringing in the players to suit that system, and get the manager who could implement it.
Give Duche 200 million to spend and hed just buy upgraded defensive players. The style wouldnt change at all. He wants full backs who sit back and wingers that will do their defensive duties more than create.
He clearly doesnt implement or expect any kind of passing through the lines.

 

[Street end man]

Agree with everything, but surely you’re not surprised as he’s been setting up
Like this 9 games out of 10, since he got here.
We had 25% possession at home to Southampton reserves in the cup last month

True mate

 

[MikeH72]

I do get some of that. I do. But we finished 22 points clear of relegation last year (obvious point deduction caveat here). Yet even Dyche’s biggest advocates on here think he is incapable of any more than aiming for 17th this year. Where is the team building, the development? Fulham are apparently aiming for Europe yet Dyche finished above them last year. Why aren’t Fulham aiming for 17th? It’s a tacit admission by his supporters that he’s limited and can’t progress a team. Yet, they are fine with it. It’s not like we’re shooting for the moon, I just expect a highly paid manager 20 months into the job with a base of his own players to maybe, just maybe, have the ambition to jump a couple of league placings from the year before. That’s it. Why do his supporters think he is going to drop off so much this year that 17th will be a good and acceptable season from him?

Been posing this question for weeks, and have yet to receive an answer other than bleating about net spend with no context and without taking into account the quality of player other teams around us lost over the summer compared to us.

 

[nsno-chris]

Next game.

Bring Branthwaite in.

Get Mykolenko out the team. Young left back.

Get NDiaye central.

Have Calvert-Lewin off at half time if he isn't performing.

stop playing footy manager lad

 

[nsno-chris]

Been posing this question for weeks, and have yet to receive an answer other than bleating about net spend with no context and without taking into account the quality of player other teams around us lost over the summer compared to us.

If you repeat the lie long enough, it becomes the reality

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Hold your nose and see Everton into a new stadium in a league they can commericlalise that new stadium with, and the opportunity for a new start with new players and a manager who will have a go at teams. The attrition gets Everton where they need to be short term, the risk of changing to an idealist now without the resources they need presents a lot of risk while we’re managing six points about relegation, somehow.

We are so scared of relegation, that we have appointed a manager who is averse to football.
We are guilty of institutional cowardice from top to
bottom.
It is hard to support a bunch of cowards.
When we move into the new stadium , the same justification could well be used about getting relegated in our first season there , because it will take a few seasons for any financial benefits to accrue. And so on, ad infinitum .

 

[Lob]

I dont want dyche anywhere near the new friedkin transfer funds.
We need to be more like Brighton in having a vision of how we want to play, have technical director bringing in the players to suit that system, and get the manager who could implement it.
Give Duche 200 million to spend and hed just buy upgraded defensive players. The style wouldnt change at all. He wants full backs who sit back and wingers that will do their defensive duties more than create.
He clearly doesnt implement or expect any kind of passing through the lines.

He wont be mate. The friedkin group are experienced professionals and ruthless. I cannot imagine a universe where they see him as the man to take their very expensive acquisition forward. He will be gone not long after they have completed and their new Manager will have a January pot if they manage to get it complete before then.

 

[Toffeelover]

I would have Silva back.

 

[chicoazul]

We are so scared of relegation, that we have appointed a manager who is averse to football.
We are guilty of institutional cowardice from top to
bottom.
It is hard to support a bunch of cowards.
When we move into the new stadium , the same justification could well be used about getting relegated in our first season there , because it will take a few seasons for any financial benefits to accrue. And so on, ad infinitum .

Someone mad a great point before, with apologies I meant to quote it, about Everton finishing around the same points as Fulham last season but now we’re laying down to their superiority. Which is fair and probably taps into why the most aggrieved in this thread feel as they do. I’m a little more pragmatic, but doesn’t mean I’m right.

Would just be nice to see Everton the play front foot football Evertonians demand again, giving a Manager decent resources will help that. As much as anyone I’m not too comfy in accepting thirty odd percent possession at home to crumby teams even if I advocate for patience with Dyche right now. Fairs fair.

 

[nsno-chris]

We are so scared of relegation, that we have appointed a manager who is averse to football.
We are guilty of institutional cowardice from top to
bottom.
It is hard to support a bunch of cowards.
When we move into the new stadium , the same justification could well be used about getting relegated in our first season there , because it will take a few seasons for any financial benefits to accrue. And so on, ad infinitum .

The stadium won’t change anything. The culture Dyche lives in is firefighting, relegation and scraping for every point. That culture will take a while to get rid of

This idea that the stadium changes everything is massively bizarre. We’ll have a group of senior players for at least 2-3 years that have been drilled into an anti-football methodology

 

[Bayboy]

I would have Silva back.

I'm pretty sure that I'd have any other Premier League manager over Dyche.

 

[Zatara]

Are you that stupid??
Do you actually think that if TFG give dyche a new deal and money he will turn us into a much better football team and have us on the front foot at home dominating teams and have us pushing for Europe.

We played a 2nd division side twice in 12 months( Doncaster) and played terrible archaic football against them both times and just managed to scrape through in both games

Yesterday was shocking.

But calling another poster "stupid" from suggesting that adding, (lets say) four £50mil players into our first 11 would not improve things...

...what would you call that?

Someone mad a great point before, with apologies I meant to quote it, about Everton finishing around the same points as Fulham last season but now we’re laying down to their superiority. Which is fair and probably taps into why the most aggrieved in this thread feel as they do. I’m a little more pragmatic, but doesn’t mean I’m right.

Would just be nice to see Everton the play front foot football Evertonians demand again, giving a Manager decent resources will help that. As much as anyone I’m not too comfy in accepting thirty odd percent possession at home to crumby teams even if I advocate for patience with Dyche right now. Fairs fair.

How many people want "front foot" football?

 

[davek]

Would you give him a new contract?

I wouldn't be opposed to it if TFG sanctioned it.

 

[Zatara]

The stadium won’t change anything. The culture Dyche lives in is firefighting, relegation and scraping for every point. That culture will take a while to get rid of

This idea that the stadium changes everything is massively bizarre. We’ll have a group of senior players for at least 2-3 years that have been drilled into an anti-football methodology

Nothing wrong with this anti-football as long as it produces consistent results.

This means errors can be critical and there may be very fine win/loss margins.

If thats the managers (whoever that may be) strategy then alot comes down to the players...