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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

No it isn’t but I’m talking about a stereotypical “progressive” manager who plays out from the back.

We tried to keep hold of the ball last night & people soiled their bills everytime we tried to build something.

Sean Dyche isn’t a progressive manager but the beginning of his time here & the Liverpool game last year is the blue-print (pointed out elsewhere) for how Everton should play.
What game were you watching, we didn't try to keep hold of the ball at all attempting to build anything. Knocking it around the back four for a minute looking massively uncomfortable any time it went into midfield then straight back to a defender before it eventually gets passed back to Pickford who hammers it long.

Using the derby game last year as the blueprint is ignoring the fact there's no way on earth this team can play at that level week in week out, and zero chance Dyche could replicate that besides as a one off fluke when every player seemed massively up for it and the crowd got involved.
 
How come everyone who thinks he’s a miracle worker, and achieved something that no other manager in world football could do with “this team”, don’t want him to stay next year.

Surely if he’s this much of a miracle worker with an awful squad, he’d guarantee us massive progression with funds behind him
I'd like to see him with money and thinks he deserves it. While id like to see that happen, I don't think it's realistic given the takeover and his association with 'hard times' Everton with the fans
 
You need to stop being emotional mate & read what people are typing.

I’m not a fan of the manager & hopefully under the new ownership he’ll be off, especially when he deal runs out but Everton’s xG every single week was high earlier on in his Everton career. He had higher turnovers in the opposition third & Everton were far more aggressive but were just crap infront of goal.

What he’s served up so far this year & multiple times last year was/is absolutely rubbish.

It's called the new manager bounce, we also had the crowd going up to a level that dragged the team into working their asses off.

It wasn't some masterstroke tactics by Dyche whatsoever, it was a team desperately trying to stay in the league.
 
How come everyone who thinks he’s a miracle worker, and achieved something that no other manager in world football could do with “this team”, don’t want him to stay next year.

Surely if he’s this much of a miracle worker with an awful squad, he’d guarantee us massive progression with funds behind him

Cos he's a useless turd
 

Don't want him, but rather than Dyche, but at best neither of them.

When looking at Mourinho it has to be done in the frame of a three year window, pretty much that's his usual template for how long he remains at a club.

Positives.
Moving into the new stadium with Mourinho would hugely increase the club's profile, we'd go to one of the most written about team overnight - mainly in a good way too unlike recent years.

He has the profile to attract players still, players want to play for him

Although often criticised, he dies in fact have a proven history of bringing through and trusting young players (if they are good enough)

He demands his teams work hard and although defensive minded he's not and never will be a long ball merchant - I'd say his brand of football actually suits what Evertonians actually REALLY want to see. (As a fanbase we hate long ball but hate tika taka just as much imo - we like defensively sound, hard working, counter attacking footy).

Been successful every single place he's ever managed, always had a soft spot for Everton, hates the rs, fans will deffo get behind him and think he'd revel in that underdog role and we'd actually see him reinvigorated (until a few years then it's fade)

Negatives

How faded is he as a coach.

Does he really have the stomach to build something from nothing anymore

Would he go for a quick short term fix - like Carlo did and leave us in a mess of older players on big contracts etc (like at inter)

Is his relationship with TFG even if they patch stuff up gonna resurface again at any adversity.


Overall I'd say the positives outweigh the negatives. One thing it would be is bloody interesting and a fun ride, both things that have been lacking for ages here
 
How come everyone who thinks he’s a miracle worker, and achieved something that no other manager in world football could do with “this team”, don’t want him to stay next year.

Surely if he’s this much of a miracle worker with an awful squad, he’d guarantee us massive progression with funds behind him
Personally, it's a situation of a square peg doing a square hole, but overtime as the club stabilises and expectations grow, the hole (objective) will change.

I'm not going to overly criticise him because he did help save us when we were rudderless, but equally I can see his limitations may now do more than good.

You may want to call it a glass ceiling, however I don't think he's got the flexibility and perhaps coaching ability to make us go onto the next level.

His tactics and mindset are rigid, the football isn't clinical enough (I'm not expecting us to be 1970s Brazil), and I think the players are tiring of him.

I've said before, I know that many of the Burnley players didn't like him and his ways, and while it worked for a while it became stale and counter-productive.

Would I sack him mid-season if we're looking safe? No, I wouldn't - I'm being sensible here and not facetious like before. Would I renew his contract?

No, I wouldn't either.
 

He's our Tony Pulis.

What we MUST avoid is 'our' Mark Hughes.

Got mates who are Stoke season ticket holders and they rue the Hughes era. The initial excitement at better footie and some exciting signings gave way to dreadful signings and Hughes' lack of ability as a manager.

Kinda feels a bit like Martinez or Koeman actually. Hopefully we've done that stage.
 
Personally, it's a situation of a square peg doing a square hole, but overtime as the club stabilises and expectations grow, the hole (objective) will change.

I'm not going to overly criticise him because he did help save us when we were rudderless, but equally I can see his limitations may now do more than good.

You may want to call it a glass ceiling, however I don't think he's got the flexibility and perhaps coaching ability to make us go onto the next level.

His tactics and mindset are rigid, the football isn't clinical enough (I'm not expecting us to be 1970s Brazil), and I think the players are tiring of him.

I've said before, I know that many of the Burnley players didn't like him and his ways, and while it worked for a while it became stale and counter-productive.

Would I sack him mid-season if we're looking safe? No, I wouldn't - I'm being sensible here and not facetious like before. Would I renew his contract?

No, I wouldn't either.
He's our Tony Pulis.

What we MUST avoid is 'our' Mark Hughes.

Got mates who are Stoke season ticket holders and they rue the Hughes era. The initial excitement at better footie and some exciting signings gave way to dreadful signings and Hughes' lack of ability as a manager.

Kinda feels a bit like Martinez or Koeman actually. Hopefully we've done that stage.
 
How come everyone who thinks he’s a miracle worker, and achieved something that no other manager in world football could do with “this team”, don’t want him to stay next year.

Surely if he’s this much of a miracle worker with an awful squad, he’d guarantee us massive progression with funds behind him

It's one of them, managers have different uses and strengths. I honestly think some of the good progressive coaches in this league couldn't have kept us up in 22/23 with 18 games left and no striker. And in 23/24 with a small and limited squad, it would have been a big ask for them to navigate an 8 points deduction.

Dyche has many, many, many faults and drawbacks as a coach. But his strength is how he builds a core group of hard-working players, raises professional standards and has an effective way to always be in games. He is what he is, he is more of a sure bet for safety, but his ceiling is lower than many coaches. Martinez would be a good example of the opposite, his ceiling saw us challenging for top 4, but his floor would have seen us fighting relegation.

The discourse surrounding Dyche, thankfully, won't last much longer. Once the takeover is confirmed he will have until the end of the season at most. I've been a defender of Dyche, but I've seen enough now to appreciate the job he has done but acknowledge he won't take us to the next level, even with financial backing, I don't think he can cater his system to more talented players.
 
It's one of them, managers have different uses and strengths. I honestly think some of the good progressive coaches in this league couldn't have kept us up in 22/23 with 18 games left and no striker. And in 23/24 with a small and limited squad, it would have been a big ask for them to navigate an 8 points deduction.

Dyche has many, many, many faults and drawbacks as a coach. But his strength is how he builds a core group of hard-working players, raises professional standards and has an effective way to always be in games. He is what he is, he is more of a sure bet for safety, but his ceiling is lower than many coaches. Martinez would be a good example of the opposite, his ceiling saw us challenging for top 4, but his floor would have seen us fighting relegation.

The discourse surrounding Dyche, thankfully, won't last much longer. Once the takeover is confirmed he will have until the end of the season at most. I've been a defender of Dyche, but I've seen enough now to appreciate the job he has done but acknowledge he won't take us to the next level, even with financial backing, I don't think he can cater his system to more talented players.
I disagree about last season, 34 points would have kept us up, 100’s of managers would have achieved that With that squad last season
 

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