2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[catcherintherye]

We’re on course to get 38 points. So we’d be relying on all of the teams below us maintaining their own dire form in order for us to be “well clear”. For me it’s not likely that the bottom 3 will end up as bad as last year’s bottom 3. So I think we have had a poor start and need to improve sharpish or he should be bulleted.

That's true but all teams seem to be picking up a bit, including us.

We have had a poor start, but we are picking up.

I'll be honest, I wouldn't write off it being the same or less this season. I remember most of last season people bizarrely thinking those teams would get 35 points. I consistently said they wouldn't. I have the same feelings.

 

[johnjf]

At the end of the day he was brought in to not get us relegated, that's it managers that just manage to keep teams in the league get points ugly, how were still in the league after the last few years is a miracle tbh,

 

[blueboy72]

You are correct. I suppose the counter would be, he inherited a squad that was very bad, and he hasn't had much to spend. How much credit he or Thelwell deserves is tricky.

We shouldn't be in a dogfight. That's reasonable, especially as he plays pragmatic football. In fairness, we are 5 points clear after 9 games, which is continues has us circa 20 points clear by season end. If that plays out, he has done his job. Even though it's a hard watch seeing him do it.

On that bases we will win 4 home games all season, we’ve had a very good start fixture wise, we Haven’t got the points most fans would have expected

 

[Eidean]

What game were you watching, we didn't try to keep hold of the ball at all attempting to build anything. Knocking it around the back four for a minute looking massively uncomfortable any time it went into midfield then straight back to a defender before it eventually gets passed back to Pickford who hammers it long.

Using the derby game last year as the blueprint is ignoring the fact there's no way on earth this team can play at that level week in week out, and zero chance Dyche could replicate that besides as a one off fluke when every player seemed massively up for it and the crowd got involved.

Dont think you’ve quite got my point there, mine was in reference to the fans reaction to Everton players trying to keep hold of the ball. They got groaned at for it last night. I’m talking about what type of football do Everton fans want?

I know they can’t play it week in week out, I’ve already stated that but the manager had them set up to play like that early on in his reign.

 

[blueboy72]

Dont think you’ve quite got my point there, mine was in reference to the fans reaction to Everton players trying to keep hold of the ball. They got groaned at for it last night. I’m talking about what type of football do Everton fans want?

I know they can’t play it week in week out, I’ve already stated that but the manager had them set up to play like that early on in his reign.

They didn’t boo from what I remember from passing around the back which happened a few times and for very short periods, they were booing more for booting it long and giving it straight back to Fulham and the biggest boo was for doucoure when it was passed to him and he did he usual trick of passing straight back to one of our CB’s when in acres space and under no pressure

 

[bluestevon]

Dont think you’ve quite got my point there, mine was in reference to the fans reaction to Everton players trying to keep hold of the ball. They got groaned at for it last night. I’m talking about what type of football do Everton fans want?

I know they can’t play it week in week out, I’ve already stated that but the manager had them set up to play like that early on in his reign.

Because keeping hold of the ball has to have a purpose to it, if the opponent let you you could have 100% possession with a CB and keeper knocking it to each other repetitively all game

Fans want to see more possession, actually building something, not just a minute of nonsense followed by the first ball forwards being a good from the keeper. That not possession football in any form.

 

[Eidean]

They didn’t boo from what I remember from passing around the back which happened a few times and for very short periods, they were booing more for booting it long and giving it straight back to Fulham and the biggest boo was for doucoure when it was passed to him and he did he usual trick of passing straight back to one of our CB’s when in acres space and under no pressure

There was a passage of play where they went backwards & people started groaning.

Seems like this conversation has grown arms and legs to a very simple point. His football has got worse, not better, over the time he’s been manager.

 

[bluestevon]

They didn’t boo from what I remember from passing around the back which happened a few times and for very short periods, they were booing more for booting it long and giving it straight back to Fulham and the biggest boo was for doucoure when it was passed to him and he did he usual trick of passing straight back to one of our CB’s when in acres space and under no pressure

Yup that one stuck in the mind as he was actually beyond their midfield and went back with it

 

[Eidean]

Because keeping hold of the ball has to have a purpose to it, if the opponent let you you could have 100% possession with a CB and keeper knocking it to each other repetitively all game

Fans want to see more possession, actually building something, not just a minute of nonsense followed by the first ball forwards being a good from the keeper. That not possession football in any form.

I’m not really sure where this discussion is going because we’re agreeing with several points.

Of course fans want to see more possession, there isn’t a single Everton fan who’s happy with what’s being served up this season & a lot of last.

Do Everton fans want building up from the back football? We’ve never had the patience for it. I don’t like the manager, he’ll thankfully be gone in the summer but the way he set his sides up earlier on in his reign was 100% different to what it is now, I’m not sure how anyone can disagree.

 

[catcherintherye]

On that bases we will win 4 home games all season, we’ve had a very good start fixture wise, we Haven’t got the points most fans would have expected

I'm not sure it's been that good.

We've had to play a number of top 8 teams (Newcastle, Brighton, Aston Villa, Spurs etc).

I think we are probably a couple of points off where we would like to be, but more than at the same stage last season (I believe).

 

[kenada_blue]

Ok, but our form massively improved later in the season, are you suggesting that because it happened once, it will happen every time? That's not how statistics work, in fact it's that type of event that stats are supposed to correct for. So you either want a stats based approach, and you can then criticise the sample size if it is not large enough, or you don't, in which case a game by game "eye test" is reasonable. It's not surprising to me that @Neiler is your go to here, as he hides behind stats whilst not really applying them appropriately too due to his naked pro-Dyche agenda.

Not really. Overall it almost paints a picture of - we'll be fine and similar to last season.

Our first 9 games of last season were similar to this (last v this):

Played each season - Fulham, Villa, Bournemouth (3pts v 1pt)

Played 2 promoted sides - Luton, Sheff United, Ipswich, Leicester. (1pt v 4pt)

Played (arguably) Teams around us - Wolves, Brentford, Palace (3pts v 3pts)

Played Top 7 sides - RS, Spurs, Brighton, Newcastle, Arsenal (0pts v 1pt)

The patterns will no doubt be little purple patches sandwiched between inconsistency. Which is any side outside the top 10. Which we are.

Personally don't think we've hit a purple patch as of yet despite being unbeaten in 5.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The equalising goal was weird yesterday though wasn’t it.

There’s Everton pushing forward in the 94th minute which is odd because all we do is have 11 players camped in our penalty area and give up whenever we’re a goal down.

We then take a short throw in which is bizarre because all we do is live for set piece opportunities to launch balls into boxes

It then gets worked on the deck between Mangala and Idrissa Gueye which is weird because Mangala is a new signing and Dyche wouldn’t be playing them this season

Rather than getting hoofed into the box it is worked out wide to Mykolenko who for some reason has disobeyed Dyche and crossed the halfway line which of course never actually happened because Everton full backs don’t cross the half way line

Then instead of just lobbing it in from deep which we apparently do all the time he finds Ndiaye who I was shocked to see because he also shouldn’t be playing this season because he’s not a Dyche player, Dyche hates him, he doesn’t play new signings, he’s had all attacking flair coached out of him, and he will never play ahead of Harrison Docuoure or McNeill in the team.

Then Ndiaye who has all attacking flair coached out of him somehow finds a cross and there at the back post is the other fullback in the penalty area who has also disobeyed Dyche’s instructions to somehow cross the half way line.

He pulls it back to Beto who Dyche never plays who puts it in.


BTW the top assisting fullback in the PL is now Ashley Young who has played less than 7 games.

Its almost as though some of the stuff written on here is complete and utter rubbish not supported by anything actually happening in reality.

Dyche doesn’t play young players

Dyche won’t play new signings

We just hoof it aimlessly hoping for a flick on

All 10 players are just camped in our box booting it away

The game is over once we go a goal down

Dyche doesn’t let his fullbacks over the halfway line


Keep them coming, complete and utter laughable delusional total wham.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Here we go again...

 

[Delargeinho]

When looking at Mourinho it has to be done in the frame of a three year window, pretty much that's his usual template for how long he remains at a club.

Positives.
Moving into the new stadium with Mourinho would hugely increase the club's profile, we'd go to one of the most written about team overnight - mainly in a good way too unlike recent years.

He has the profile to attract players still, players want to play for him

Although often criticised, he dies in fact have a proven history of bringing through and trusting young players (if they are good enough)

He demands his teams work hard and although defensive minded he's not and never will be a long ball merchant - I'd say his brand of football actually suits what Evertonians actually REALLY want to see. (As a fanbase we hate long ball but hate tika taka just as much imo - we like defensively sound, hard working, counter attacking footy).

Been successful every single place he's ever managed, always had a soft spot for Everton, hates the rs, fans will deffo get behind him and think he'd revel in that underdog role and we'd actually see him reinvigorated (until a few years then it's fade)

Negatives

How faded is he as a coach.

Does he really have the stomach to build something from nothing anymore

Would he go for a quick short term fix - like Carlo did and leave us in a mess of older players on big contracts etc (like at inter)

Is his relationship with TFG even if they patch stuff up gonna resurface again at any adversity.


Overall I'd say the positives outweigh the negatives. One thing it would be is bloody interesting and a fun ride, both things that have been lacking for ages here

It's an interesting thought to be honest, Carlo came here when his career seemed to be in a decline, José didn't really get the top top clubs anymore in the last years and could revive his career as well.

Don't see Real going for him, in case he succeeds.

 

[Saint Domingo]

To add to this in the last few days alone we’ve had a wave of criticising Dyche for only beating the lesser teams at home…and now today we’ve moved onto claiming he has no plan for lesser teams at home.

Couldn’t make it up. Must have imagined all those home wins against Leeds Brentford (x2) Palace (x2) Bournemouth (x2) Forest Burnley (x2) Sheffield United