2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Delargeinho]

Their form improved when they sacked him, we do know that much.

I am surprised how bad they were when they came up with Kompany the following season again, after they smashed the championship having the best squad.

 

[John from Bootle]

Like I say, 53 goals in 165 games for them.

Started the season slowly, it happens - but he was sold with more than half the season to go.

Newcastle were in the relegation zone/had less points per game than Burnley at that stage when they took a relegation rivals best player on a release clause. They ended up finishing 11th

A lot can change between early Jan with most of the season to play - you take your main man/goalscorer and it's going to cost you.

We've had this conversation before, and Wood's record for Forest when people took the piss when I said he was a good signing only goes to reaffirm the point.

The 'experts' would have had a meltdown if we bought Chris Wood when he left Newcastle or Burnley. Likewise Danny Welbeck when Arsenal sold him to Brighton.

Have we ever bought a player from a premier league club in the modern era and not had loads of fans write them off before they've even kicked a ball for us?

I often wonder what 'today's' reaction to the signings of Gray and Reid would have been. Both players who had 'baggage.'

Seems giving people the benefit of the doubt is less and less a thing these days.

 

[Drico]

I am surprised how bad they were when they came up with Kompany the following season again, after they smashed the championship having the best squad.

Kompany is a flat-track bully. Bayern will run away with the Bundesliga this season because they are reliably smashing the Holstein Kiels and Freiburgs of the world whilst Leverkusen suffer a reaction to last season's heroics, but the true Bayern tends to be shown up when they face Leverkusen or Barcelona or even Aston Villa. He's great against sides he should beat due to financial advantage (as Burnley had in the Championship and Bayern have in the BL), but he's badly exposed in face-offs against clubs of similar means (or better organisation) like Barcelona in the CL or Leverkusen one-on-one.

 

[PSB1]

"Everton history will be kind to him" - depends who writes the history & how many people buy into that version.

 

[John from Bootle]

"Everton history will be kind to him" - depends who writes the history & how many people buy into that version.

I think it will be kind to him. Peter Johnson gets credit still in some quarters, with hindsight.

Likewise we mostly all appreciate the job Walter Smith did at the time, but nobody argues that he shouldn't have went when he did. Hindsight gives a degree of rationality that's not always there in the emotions of the moment.

I'm confident history will view Dyche kindly, barring some sort of disastrous end to his reign, though even in that scenario, he's still delivered what we needed for the last 2 season ends.

 

[Neiler]

The 'experts' would have had a meltdown if we bought Chris Wood when he left Newcastle or Burnley. Likewise Danny Welbeck when Arsenal sold him to Brighton.

Have we ever bought a player from a premier league club in the modern era and not had loads of fans write them off before they've even kicked a ball for us?

I often wonder what 'today's' reaction to the signings of Gray and Reid would have been. Both players who had 'baggage.'

Seems giving people the benefit of the doubt is less and less a thing these days.

I’ll hold my hand up and say I learned my lesson with Kevin Campbell on loan. Not wishing to speak ill, but really didn’t rate him at Arsenal before he moved to Turkey. Thought we were goners then.

What a signing and servant.

Teaches you to be open minded.

 

[windymiller]

Indeed mate, but the records show Burnley were relegated once under him.

Even if he stayed and they went down again - there's a reason why he's loved there and there's a pub named after him. Because he overachieved.

Kompany spent more in one summer than Dyche did in his whole time there - and he sent them down.

This will be his last season here, and Everton history will rightly be kind to him.

If James Bond had not freed himself and been killed by that laser that was slowly tracking up towards his groin region after the villain had left the room, would the villain not have killed him because he'd already left? Managing a team that got relegated for 30 games of a 38 game season, and then the points per game went up in the final 8 games, certainly seems like it was the original manager who relegated them.

 

[John from Bootle]

I’ll hold my hand up and say I learned my lesson with Kevin Campbell on loan. Not wishing to speak ill, but really didn’t rate him at Arsenal before he moved to Turkey. Thought we were goners then.

What a signing and servant.

Teaches you to be open minded.

We can all have opinions on players. We've bought many I don't rate or think we've over paid for. What I always try to do though is give them the benefit of the doubt. The most important thing I'm concerned about when they rock up here is; are they good pro's? Their ability will take care of itself if they're committed to the cause.

No time for wasters like Williams or Delph. Nor players with lack of respect like Maupay. Until that sort of behaviour becomes apparent, then I try and give them a fair crack of the whip.

 

[Carlito]

are you serious?

He’ll be sent packing the moment the inks wet. He plays anti football. Makes your eyes bleed football.

Ale house tin pot clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth and co dominating possession at goodison in our last season.

Pathetic.

That's what I thought, but a Roma fan at work has got me a bit worried about this Friedkin lot now.

 

[MikeH72]

The margins at the bottom of the season - I think if Newcastle didn't take him from Burnley then he swings the 3 point advantage for them to send Leeds or us down that year.

Why are you glossing over the fact that Dyche signed a very poor replacement for him with the money mate? Could that have also contributed to them going down?

 

[Blue peter]

I see you’re still unreasonably angry that people are talking about Sean Dyche in the Sean Dyche thread.

And that was at 6.40 in the morning…far too early to be that riled

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Why are you glossing over the fact that Dyche signed a very poor replacement for him with the money mate? Could that have also contributed to them going down?

Weghorst? Discussed him before, to you in November;

Was reactive to losing Woods/desperation deadline day though wasn't it?

Can't recall who got injured for Newcastle, but it prompted them to activate Woods release fee. Burnley were never expecting to lose him. They'd have kept him if they could. It was as big a loss to them as us not having Calvert-Lewin. Woods hit double figures every full season for them.

Burnley went down because they drew too many games/14 - he'd have tipped a few of them results as he did for 3/4 years before IMO. Nice one Geordies!

And another time, in May;

As for Weghorst - Burnley lost Wood on a release fee to a relegation rival, and he was a panic, reactive attempt to replace him late January to stay up. Dyche's view?

Burnley boss Sean Dyche said: "Wout is a player that our scouts have been strong on for some time and we feel that he can add to all that we do at Burnley Football Club.

"His signing is a continued show of the club's and team's development. We wish Wout well as he earns the right to push our group forwards."

Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Translation: Sod all to do with me.

In football, contrary to popular belief - managers aren't responsible for all transfers. If they were, Iwobi would still be at Everton, and Dyche isn't signing a 4th choice academy lad from Sporting, or OBrien, or Beto. Or Lindstrom. Or Iroegbunam. Or Danjuma. In fact, Dyche has had a few thinyly veiled digs at our recruitment, but then to be fair - every single window he's had to make a profit.

 

[MikeH72]

Weghorst? Discussed him before, to you in November;



And another time, in May;



In football, contrary to popular belief - managers aren't responsible for all transfers. If they were, Iwobi would still be at Everton, and Dyche isn't signing a 4th choice academy lad from Sporting, or OBrien, or Beto. Or Lindstrom. Or Iroegbunam. Or Danjuma. In fact, Dyche has had a few thinyly veiled digs at our recruitment, but then to be fair - every single window he's had to make a profit.

Haha oh right that’s handy. Dyche absolved of blame for the bad transfers.

Looking forward to seeing where he ends up.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

If James Bond had not freed himself and been killed by that laser that was slowly tracking up towards his groin region after the villain had left the room, would the villain not have killed him because he'd already left? Managing a team that got relegated for 30 games of a 38 game season, and then the points per game went up in the final 8 games, certainly seems like it was the original manager who relegated them.

What comes before you is of course important.

Speaking of which, this was before Dyche;

The table below ranks all Premier League and EFL teams, placing Everton 87th out of 92 teams for points per game during the 2022 calendar year;

Since then, we've had to make a lot of money in the market every year since - selling the likes of Richarlison, Gordon, Iwobi and Onana who all moonwalk into this Everton team.

Since then, we've had an absent owner and point deductions too.

Yet, still remain a Premier League team which although none of us like admitting or feel comfortable with - is the clubs priority.

 

[Neiler]

What comes before you is of course important.

Speaking of which, this was before Dyche;

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The table below ranks all Premier League and EFL teams, placing Everton 87th out of 92 teams for points per game during the 2022 calendar year;

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Since then, we've had to make a lot of money in the market every year since - selling the likes of Richarlison, Gordon, Iwobi and Onana who all moonwalk into this Everton team.

Since then, we've had an absent owner and point deductions too.

Yet, still remain a Premier League team which although none of us like admitting or feel comfortable with - is the clubs priority.

Its like blaming the fire brigade for wetting your carpet when your house was on fire!