windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
Not really sure what that's got to do with Dyche relegating Burnley twice, but yeah, he did a good job that first few months. I thank him and wish him well for the future, a future somewhere else.
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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked
- Thread starter Brett Angell Delight
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Maybe go and review Burnley before, and after Dyche.
Pay attention to what they spent, too.
There's a reason he's idolised there.
I think it will show that he played the worst brand of 'football' of any Everton manager in my lifetime and that includes Allardyce and Benitez.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Its like blaming the fire brigade for wetting your carpet when your house was on fire!
It’s also akin to this:
You’re drowning in the sea about to completely give up and go under
A guy in a lifeboat rescues you, gives you an energy bar, and tells you to wait for the Friedkin cruise ship coming over the horizon to your rescue.
You try and push the guy out the lifeboat and almost capsize the whole thing because he hasn’t given you the caviar you deserve and you’re too good for energy bars you’d have preferred at least a roast dinner and would be willing to go back in the sea and wait for a better lifeboat.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
I used to go home and away to Burnley as a good mate of mine is a Burnley fan. He's well thought of over there, for sure, but the love in is not as extreme or as universal as you make out. I get that your a staunch defender of him, and I acknowledge there are risks with going a different way, but his football is, was, and will be dreadful to watch. You're ok with that, but many are not. That's fine, each to their own, but there's more than one way to skin a cat and it's odd that people pretend like it was Dyche's way or oblivion and that there were no other ways out of the mire.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
As for ‘he’s not made any progress’
Look at all PL manager’s points gained last season v the season before and then look at how much each point cost them in net transfer fees. I wonder where Dyche would be on that table.
Look at all PL manager’s points gained last season v the season before and then look at how much each point cost them in net transfer fees. I wonder where Dyche would be on that table.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
You could literally look it up in about 5 mins. You're not fussed, though, I get it.
If we're content forever being a club that's just happy they stayed up, he's great.
I, for one, do not watch football in the hope we 'just stay up'.
Where's the enjoyment in that? May as well go watch darts instead.
I, for one, do not watch football in the hope we 'just stay up'.
Where's the enjoyment in that? May as well go watch darts instead.
Is it the towns obsession with scotch eggs?
Carlito
Player Valuation: £40m
You may be feeling pretty clever right now, but just wait until the cruise ship arrives and your saviour pitches a fit because you've only paid him £15m for his services.
That's before he starts screaming about how if the lifeboat was called le canot de sauvetage, you'd think it was great and never want to get out.
You're making incorrect assertions.
It's easy to point fingers at problems. It's always the managers fault, isn't it?
I seek to offer some balance/context.
You point fingers at Dyche and say he got Burnley relegated 'twice'. I give the context behind that.
You point fingers at Dyche at Everton. I've given context behind that.
It seems people who are most critical of Dyche, can't give him an inch.
It's about recognising the situation the club is in, currently.
Dyche is the symptom of Everton's chaos, not the cause as many with short memories would have you think.
NathDogg
Player Valuation: £50m
If Burnley love him so much they can have him back.
He did a decent job last season and I was very thankful, with the ridiculous league points deductions but he was aided and abetted by some absolute dross teams, as we may well be this season.
IMO we’ve gone backwards this season, and some of his tactical decisions are still terrible and his in game management is appalling.
Throwing away results against Bournemouth and Villa, and his following lack of ownership did him in for me, I’ve had enough.
The Fulham game was more of the same, and for me he’s not setting us up or using the current squad correctly no matter what crap excuses he growls out to the media.
I never liked his style at Burnley and I hate it here, anyone who thinks it’s acceptable for Everton I feel sorry for.
Theres a reason why no one touched him for years and he was in the football wilderness until we did, yet he talks like he’s won everything there is to win in the game, and we fans should be kissing the graaaarrrssss he walks on for even bothering to come to Everton and manage us.
I get it, we have been battling relegation for a number of years, but that shouldn’t define the cap on our ambitions ( just surviving and staying up is all we can do) or define how we must play our football, but it seems he can play atrocious footy, talk absolute wham and get no flack at all for it.
Dyche has pulled off the biggest con trick ever and loads of blues have fell for it hook line and sinker.
We kicked off more about Benitez and this fella is no different imo.
Roll on the Friedkins bombing him back into football obscurity.
He did a decent job last season and I was very thankful, with the ridiculous league points deductions but he was aided and abetted by some absolute dross teams, as we may well be this season.
IMO we’ve gone backwards this season, and some of his tactical decisions are still terrible and his in game management is appalling.
Throwing away results against Bournemouth and Villa, and his following lack of ownership did him in for me, I’ve had enough.
The Fulham game was more of the same, and for me he’s not setting us up or using the current squad correctly no matter what crap excuses he growls out to the media.
I never liked his style at Burnley and I hate it here, anyone who thinks it’s acceptable for Everton I feel sorry for.
Theres a reason why no one touched him for years and he was in the football wilderness until we did, yet he talks like he’s won everything there is to win in the game, and we fans should be kissing the graaaarrrssss he walks on for even bothering to come to Everton and manage us.
I get it, we have been battling relegation for a number of years, but that shouldn’t define the cap on our ambitions ( just surviving and staying up is all we can do) or define how we must play our football, but it seems he can play atrocious footy, talk absolute wham and get no flack at all for it.
Dyche has pulled off the biggest con trick ever and loads of blues have fell for it hook line and sinker.
We kicked off more about Benitez and this fella is no different imo.
Roll on the Friedkins bombing him back into football obscurity.
48 points keep us up any season mate.
We've not.
We're better than we were last leason - having played better opposition too.
I'd take 48 points again this season.
All about getting to Bramley Moore under new owners.
Fulham was crap. Our worst performance under Dyche, all considered IMO. As was Bournemouth but 2-0 up at 87 minutes, I should be able to manage them and see that out. Bottlers.
He'll never get a bigger job than Everton either.
But the bold there - the reality is we have an owner who has checked out and isn't sacking any manager.
We have potentially new owners coming in, who can't make a decision yet.
While you'll sit in that position, there's no point crying about ambition. The reality is what it is.
We're not sacking him and there isn't a desirable list of managers looking at the chaos around the club and thinking they want a part of that.
Proves my point, really.
This is you when he was hired;
^ We've not been ran any better since. We've not spent a bean, since.
I had wrote us off as down that season.
If someone told me we would sell more than we buy, and get hammered with a point deduction the following season - I'd have wrote us off again too.
We've stayed a Premier League club.
If you don't think Dyche is the manager to take us forward under new ownership - fair enough. I wouldn't disagree.
But to say he's conned fans and no different to Benitez is nonsense.
BrendanGOT
Player Valuation: £30m
I think it depends what's available in January and how much we can spend. If there's room to make adequate changes then I agree they'll prob get shut and get a manager in with a few January signings. If we're still tight and not many good players available then I could see them letting him see out the season if he's putting enough points on the board to be safe
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
The problems at this club are numerous, I don't believe there is anyone on this site that doesn't acknowledge that. In terms of not giving Dyche an inch, that's not a correct assertion on your part, literally today in a reply to you I stated that he did well keeping us up in that first season here. So, I agree, not everything is Dyche's fault. However, Dyche is responsible for how we line up, how we play and, ultimately, is responsible for our points total. Many, including yourself, laud him for his 48 points last season, fair enough, but you can't then have it the other way and say the dropped points this season are nothing to do with him. Either all the elements of the club, coaching staff, playing staff, administrative staff, are collectively responsible for our performances or they are not. It seems that those who are not critical of Dyche (to echo your own words) want to credit him with everything that goes right at the club but absolve him of everything that goes wrong. That's as illogical as those who won't "give him an inch".
There's obviously too much heat on this issue now, people's views are entrenched and there's unlikely to be anything that changes that. I'll also happily state that I never wanted Dyche here, I'd seen his Burnley side play many times and knew what he would do. I'll also confess that what I want from sport, and especially when I pay over a hundred quid for a day out, is to be entertained. I don't consider watching us play at the moment a fun day out. I also understand that others, presumably including those who set up and run an Everton fan forum, have more complex relationships with the club and so have different priorities. Fair enough. Just existing as a PL club seems like a dreadful way to exist but is all a manager like Dyche is capable of. Some will argue that just surviving is a means to an end and a short term goal but then argue that Dyche will have deserved another contract if he keeps us up. Dyche is a survival manager, he's not capable of anything else.