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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

There’s no reasoning for going 13 games without a win. Virtually no other team in the country would accept going a quarter of a season without a win and then try and say “oh the fixtures though”

Oh behave. It's not what I said, is it.

I said it weren't good enough. I pointed out that it contained our toughest run of fixtures of the season (the fact we played city twice in that period shows why dissecting a season to suit an argument can be flawed) and that 4 of the losses were games we probably get nothing from 8 or 9 times out of 10. I then pointed out that there was 3 other losses that were not good enough, and that there was some decent draws in there. I pointed out that I didn't want him sacked then, and guess what, I was proven right (though I wasn't actually posting on here during that period) because he delivered arguably more than what we expected over the course of the season.

I still don't want him sacked yet, and I again hope to be proven right, because barring a disastrous run of results, he won't be getting sacked this side of TFG. We can dissect last season all we want, but it's gone, and oh, he delivered anyway, ultimately.

If I'm proven wrong, then so be it, I won't be the first person on GOT to back the wrong manager, I'm sure.

You must have backed at least one of the 6 failed managers we've sacked since Moyes left?
 
Been watching Wales this Nations League campaign, amazing what a change of manager can do...Robert Page an old school manager with no tactical ability or in game management to Craig Bellamy a more progressive, pressing, tactical, changing players and formations and a lot more positive front foot attitude
 

Been watching Wales this Nations League campaign, amazing what a change of manager can do...Robert Page an old school manager with no tactical ability or in game management to Craig Bellamy a more progressive, pressing, tactical, changing players and formations and a lot more positive front foot attitude
What Bellamy has done is unreal tbf, his experience is largely as a backroom staff member and although they have a few PL players the bulk of the squad is Championship/League 1 players and they actually play decent football. Looks to have a bright future ahead.
 
More adaptable manger has us 7 to 9 points better off so far this season pretty much conviced of that, much better squad of players than last season. Dyche has correctly come under pressure for results, various poor sequences of results, losing winnable games, players that don't look fit. Players that don't look Dyche fit but get games becuase they are favoured personally. Poor game management, slow tactilly. Worst of alll literally making narratives up about fans expectations to cover much of these inadequacies up.
9 points better off would effectively see us 3rd in the league. How anybody with even the tiniest modicum of sense could believe this side should be 3rd in the league is completely beyond me. There are legitimate things to have a go at Dyche about but this type of stuff totally dilutes it because it's utterly laughable. The huge majority of people (fans, neutrals, bookies) had us down as being somewhere in the region of 13th-17th but now suddenly any half decent manager would have us a third of the way through the season in the CL places. It's like some people have fully just lost all sense of perspective.
 
What Bellamy has done is unreal tbf, his experience is largely as a backroom staff member and although they have a few PL players the bulk of the squad is Championship/League 1 players and they actually play decent football. Looks to have a bright future ahead.
yes , same players virtually but a completely different approach and style. Makes me laugh when people say a new manager wouldnt be bale to get the players playing differently
 
Yeah bit of a rant. But hey ho... 13 game stuff is a bit old now in ended in April. Think we all know Dyche is gone before the start of next season. We are arguing the toss about whether we should sack him now.
The thought process now is:

1. Are we going down - I doubt it
2. Could could we go down if we hire the wrong manager - yes
3. Do I think the current regime will hire a right manager - no

We are hopefully weeks away from new owners, and we won't need a crisis manager after that.

The noise coming about sacking Dyche, why would you sack him now and who would you replace with?
It’s all result dependent, I’ve heard a few people say keep him till the end of season, again you hear a lot of nonsense like we can’t sack him, we can’t afford to pay him off, what if TFG can’t get their long term option etc etc. what if we lose the next 4. So all them same things stand and that we won’t need a crisis manager when the take over is done. We lose the next 4 or only pick up a few points between now and Christmas and he will be gone
 
9 points better off would effectively see us 3rd in the league. How anybody with even the tiniest modicum of sense could believe this side should be 3rd in the league is completely beyond me. There are legitimate things to have a go at Dyche about but this type of stuff totally dilutes it because it's utterly laughable. The huge majority of people (fans, neutrals, bookies) had us down as being somewhere in the region of 13th-17th but now suddenly any half decent manager would have us a third of the way through the season in the CL places. It's like some people have fully just lost all sense of perspective.
Are forest 4th ?? A team we finished above last season and have had easier fixtures. That’s not to say I think we should be 4th but we should have a lot more points than we currently have
 

9 points better off would effectively see us 3rd in the league. How anybody with even the tiniest modicum of sense could believe this side should be 3rd in the league is completely beyond me. There are legitimate things to have a go at Dyche about but this type of stuff totally dilutes it because it's utterly laughable. The huge majority of people (fans, neutrals, bookies) had us down as being somewhere in the region of 13th-17th but now suddenly any half decent manager would have us a third of the way through the season in the CL places. It's like some people have fully just lost all sense of perspective.
If anything, it emphasises how wasteful we've been with a very soft start.

Forest will likely tumble down the table when their fixtures turn for the worse, but at least they've got enough points on the board to keep them away from trouble.

Dyche is on the verge of giving himself too much to do in the second half of the season.
 
Are forest 4th ?? A team we finished above last season and have had easier fixtures. That’s not to say I think we should be 4th but we should have a lot more points than we currently have
Yes, and it's been widely lauded (included on here, by people saying what an incredible feat of management it is). Is it theoretically possible that we could have 9 points more than we have? Yes of course. Is it in any way something that should be the case? Not even slightly.
 
If anything, it emphasises how wasteful we've been with a very soft start.

Forest will likely tumble down the table when their fixtures turn for the worse, but at least they've got enough points on the board to keep them away from trouble.

Dyche is on the verge of giving himself too much to do in the second half of the season.
Thats a fair way of looking at it, totally different to what was being said in the other post.
 
Yes, and it's been widely lauded (included on here, by people saying what an incredible feat of management it is). Is it theoretically possible that we could have 9 points more than we have? Yes of course. Is it in any way something that should be the case? Not even slightly.
But we’ve had enough easy fixtures to have more points even 6 points would see us top half and then the likes of you could have at least some justification for lauding this dinasour
 
Yes, and it's been widely lauded (included on here, by people saying what an incredible feat of management it is). Is it theoretically possible that we could have 9 points more than we have? Yes of course. Is it in any way something that should be the case? Not even slightly.

Sorry why is it unreasonable to suggest we should have 6-9 more points? Nobody is saying that should be our finishing position after 38 games. But based on the fixtures we’ve played after 11 games and the opportunity we’ve had I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all.
 

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