That’s a properly awful take that like. Just shows how detached from reality we’ve got now that you can literally just write any old crap that has a go at dyche and loads of people will like it.
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An actual football manager will get better results than current inept one who clearly cannot = detached take.
Ok.
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
Using Slot as an example is a bit extreme but the general principle of a manager coaching players to be better is not actually that wild a take.
No where in my message did it state anything to do with people not going the match can't have an opinion. That's you putting words in my mouth.
One thing they can do tho, is turn the channel over when their bored stiff. The only option I've got is to leave the game early, which I'm not going to do after forking that much out. So I have to stand there and suffer watching a team full of international football players play football you don't even see in amatuer leagues anymore.
The bottom line, is football is an entertainment. No one has a divine right to win, but what they certainly should be doing is producing entertainment. And apart from entertainment to the opposition fans he produces nothing. There's a number of ways in football to produce entertaining football, but all Dyche can conjure up is kick and rush, play for 0-0 every week.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
I understand your arguments, I even have sympathy for some of it. However, where we diverge is on where we are this season. You say we haven't improved the squad this season, I disagree, it is my opinion that the squad is marginally improved. Either way, it's not worse than last season. The form we have shown in the first third of the season has been dreadful, worse than it was in the entirety of last season, including the very long winless run. Some of that is on Dyche. Not all of it but certainly some of it. The idea that he should not be criticised is absurd, the idea that he is somehow powerless to affect things on the pitch, both in preparation for games and during games, is also nonsense.
The reaction of a small cadre of posters, including yourself, to any criticism (sometimes over the top, sometimes very minor) of Dyche, seemingly with a view to shutting that criticism down is as extreme, and as irrational, as those who criticise Dyche for every aspect of anything negative that occurs at the club, including the aspects he has no control over.
Dyche is disliked for a multitude of reasons. His style of play, his refusal to change systems or to make early changes in games, his comments about the club and the fans, and his views on other subjects being examples. It's ok to not like people, it's ok to not enjoy his football, it's ok to want him gone.
I never wanted him here but can appreciate what he did in those first few months, the two things are not mutually exclusive. What happened in the past, however, should not cloud our judgement on what sort of job our manager is doing in the present. We have fallen into that trap with far superior managers than Sean Dyche.
Football isn’t just entertainment, too many are peddling this line, it’s more.
What is it then? A cure for insomnia?
I'll give him credit for that, he's very good at sending people to sleep.
It’s not just 12 games this season its 33 nearly a calendar season. 7 wins. Burnley, shef Utd, Brentford, Forest, palace, Ipswich and Liverpool add in that we’ve gone out of 3 cups in that time all at home to Fulham, Luton and Southampton’s reserves. He’s getting off extremely lightly imo. Like was said on a pod the other day, if moshiri was still interested about the club, dyche would have gone last season
There will be times in your life cycle as a fan when you are good and bad.
Whether you are entertained or not is irrelevent. No one cares.
Your team is your team, it’s more then entertainment, it’s your background, your history, belonging to something bigger then yourself, a shared identity, culture, belief, hope values and connections that are intrinsic.
Whether you’re entertained or not is a wish but not essential.
We’ve been relegation fodder for three seasons now and I keep hearing people say they aren’t entertained, yet you can’t get a ticket for a game they are all sell out and if you get rid of your season ticket in the morning there are 10s of thousands waiting to take it off you.
It’s more.
We’d all still be going and supporting if we were in the relegation zone in Div 2.
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It's just football mate. It's a game people play and people watch.
The reason there's a sellout every week is because there's a stadium on the way next season. If there was no stadium, there wouldn't be sellouts every week with this football. If he was given a new contract for next season, I wouldn't be buying a ticket in the new ground which will likely be over £800.
The clubs well being is in jeopardy with Dyche in charge. You can be in trouble and still provide football where your actively trying to win games.
Disagree with all that mate.
I mean it’s a global cultural phenomenon on a civilisation scale in terms of our entire species. It’s clearly something more systemic and multifaceted then what you explain.
General sale is gone months in advance has been for years - that’s nothing to do with a new ground, some people are on the season ticket waiting list over a decade before a new ground was even thought off. There will be no mass exodus and frankly the club aren’t arsed, someone else will bite the hand of someone leaving for 600 or 800. Demand has never been higher. Actually think TFG would love nothing more then reduce season ticket holders at the club and have more on general sale.
So the rest boils down to opinion, we won’t cover new ground. Safe to say a body of work has been created in the sitting managers time here that contradicts a projected subjective opinion. But it’s circular and this thread bores me when it comes down to circular arguments over and over.
I’d reaffirm my earlier point, football is more then entertainment for the reasons I mention above - I can’t fathom anyone who wouldn’t watch us or due entertainment, supporting Everton is something more, no matter how bad we are or what low ebb the club holistically is at.
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I’ve had a season ticket now for 22 years. My 20 minute walk to the match every other week is out of sheer habit and the fact I’m waiting and hoping for something better next year in the stadium.
I dread going the match under Dyche as I know I’ll hate every last second of it as it’s not enjoyable in the slightest. It bores me that much, it puts me off watching any other footy.
Walking back home after Brentford, big game kicking off at half 5 and I couldn’t be bothered in the slightest watching it as I’ve been drained of football.
CahillsCornerFlag
Player Valuation: £70m
This season was and excellent opportunity for Dyche. Probably the biggest of his career. He kept us up by playing defensive, safety first footy when we needed it. Credit where it’s due. Last season in particular nobody can argue with his results. But this year he had a clean slate to try and adapt, to not play turgid stuff and to develop something for thing for the future. The fixture run was absolutely plum. By doing this, he would’ve given any new owner a serious headache about whether to sack him.
For me he’s completely bottled it. He has nothing in his locker except what he’s shown here, and even that, the threat from set pieces etc, seems to have dissipated.
He’s now a man with nothing to play for as he knows he’s out the door as soon as TFG come in. He’s also put us in a very tough position having blown so many easy fixtures. For all parties, the sooner he leaves the better. I think he’ll look back on this season one day and regret it, if he’s humble enough.
For me he’s completely bottled it. He has nothing in his locker except what he’s shown here, and even that, the threat from set pieces etc, seems to have dissipated.
He’s now a man with nothing to play for as he knows he’s out the door as soon as TFG come in. He’s also put us in a very tough position having blown so many easy fixtures. For all parties, the sooner he leaves the better. I think he’ll look back on this season one day and regret it, if he’s humble enough.
It’s more then that mate, it’s 600 pound habit, you know it, I know it, things are bad, but the hope is the hook, while all the other things I describe are the draw. It’s more than entertainment. It’s that hole you feel in the summer and can’t wait to have back, even if we were kack the year before.
In general I don’t think people are actually that annoyed with Dyche, nuts and bolts they are grateful for what gone before this season - but things aren’t going well, at the moment and I think a lot don’t have anything much more to give, the club has done a number on them over many years. People are fatigued with the whole lot in my opinion and there will be lightening rod in season or out of season.
I gave up on the PL a good few years ago apart from us, I watch more lower league football then PL. I actually don’t find the PL particularly entertaining. I’m in it for the tribalism and reasons I gave in my second post as they relate to us.
Entertainment is only a small part of a bond with the club, it’s not mission critical, football and the club is more.
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