2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Nymzee]

I pray that today will be his last press conference.

Not one journalist will pull him up over his negative football, comment or he complete lack of ownership over this squad this season.

He blames the past but he has been here for nearly 2 years, he has spent money and brought in his players.

Looking forward to him doing his hilarious bit where he name-drops himself in on the stats with Pep then backtracks with a wry smile.

 

[Harryflashman]

Looking forward to him doing his hilarious bit where he name-drops himself in on the stats with Pep then backtracks with a wry smile.

He might be wanting to swap pep out on the rotation giving recent results

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

Morning blues, what reality are we creating today?

Sack!

 

[John from Bootle]

I’ve never seen the fanbase so disenchanted with club and team.

This is the thing I find really odd. In a little under 3 and a half years, we've had the Benitez turd grenade thrown at the fan-base, and an unquestionably worse performing team and manager with Frank, yet the manager who has improved things, no matter how marginally, is the one solely responsible for the fans being at their most disenchanted?

Maybe it's just that the nearly 3 years since Benitez got booted feels like about 10 years at times?

 

[Lob]

Morning blues, what reality are we creating today?

A reality where it is not 91.5% out and 8.5% in. The 91.5% are all just ungrateful non scouser spam bots.

Hang on while i adjust my algorithm to remove the word cabbage as it is not scouse.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Morning blues, what reality are we creating today?

Is today the day you answer the question or do you need another 24 hours? 48 hours and a statement on a Friday would be very NSNO of you in fairness.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I understand your arguments, I even have sympathy for some of it. However, where we diverge is on where we are this season.

I'm not sure we do diverge a great deal on this season. In the post you've replied to, I've acknowledged we've been very poor this season;

The January he come in, you'd have considered Everton staying up a success for Dyche.

Last season, you'd have considered survival to be the objective. Even before the point deduction.

Dyche achieved both.

Sure, 12 games in this season we've been very poor. But then my expectations before a ball was kicked was to stay outside the bottom 3 come new ownership/January because, well, nothing had changed on the previous years. I wasn't convinced we'd improved the team, certainly not to the extent to resolve lack of goals.

Dyche doesn't deserve the scorn and abuse he gets from fans on this forum and social media. Especially given we all know he's on borrowed time an will be replaced when new owners come in.

He come in to do a job. Keep us afloat until new owners. Very nearly job done.

... I've said if we drop into the bottom 3, or take less than 4 points from Brentford and Wolves then we'll need to sack, even if interim until new owners. Results.

But the reality is, at least my reality, is no new manager comes in until there's new owners.

You say we haven't improved the squad this season, I disagree, it is my opinion that the squad is marginally improved. Either way, it's not worse than last season. The form we have shown in the first third of the season has been dreadful, worse than it was in the entirety of last season,

Until 2 games ago, we were tracking the same as last season. Just as bad. Last season after 12 games we were 14th. We're 15th now.

Last season you, me, and vast majority of the fanbase -even before point deductions - said survival was the objective.

Even though we never invested in the team, even if that marginal improvement is the case, then why would the objective have shifted? Mine didn't. NDiaye doesn't take us from an objective of survival. My view was get to January, under new owners who'd have to make decisions and spend.

including the very long winless run. Some of that is on Dyche. Not all of it but certainly some of it. The idea that he should not be criticised is absurd, the idea that he is somehow powerless to affect things on the pitch, both in preparation for games and during games, is also nonsense.

Nobody is saying he shouldn't be criticised. I've done plenty of that.

But the criticism, in my view, overly attributes the clubs position to Dyche/is over the top.

The reaction of a small cadre of posters, including yourself, to any criticism (sometimes over the top, sometimes very minor) of Dyche, seemingly with a view to shutting that criticism down is as extreme, and as irrational, as those who criticise Dyche for every aspect of anything negative that occurs at the club, including the aspects he has no control over.

Which I then see you acknowledged here.

Dyche is disliked for a multitude of reasons. His style of play, his refusal to change systems or to make early changes in games, his comments about the club and the fans, and his views on other subjects being examples. It's ok to not like people, it's ok to not enjoy his football, it's ok to want him gone.

I never wanted him here but can appreciate what he did in those first few months, the two things are not mutually exclusive. What happened in the past, however, should not cloud our judgement on what sort of job our manager is doing in the present. We have fallen into that trap with far superior managers than Sean Dyche.

No manager of Everton gets a free pass.

But, like Lampard - no manager of Everton the last few years should take the lions share of the blame for where Everton is as a club.

I'll be as pleased as the next fan when we have a top manager in, and a team worthwhile of the club. I wish I could 'cope' by just blaming Sean Dyche but my view, and one I've long shared prior to Dyche is we're bang in trouble no matter the manager because the team is crap and the club is without direction.

 

[Marius57]

Is today the day you answer the question or do you need another 24 hours? 48 hours and a statement on a Friday would be very NSNO of you in fairness.

Coming from the poster that ignores questions repeatedly and then ultimately waffles his way to not answering, it’s funny that you are so bothered.

 

[blueboy72]

This is the thing I find really odd. In a little under 3 and a half years, we've had the Benitez turd grenade thrown at the fan-base, and an unquestionably worse performing team and manager with Frank, yet the manager who has improved things, no matter how marginally, is the one solely responsible for the fans being at their most disenchanted?

Maybe it's just that the nearly 3 years since Benitez got booted feels like about 10 years at times?

What the difference in points per game dyche v Lampard?? At a guess I’d say there’s not much in it.
Considering Lampard had a worse squad 2yrs ago and the narrative is dyche is streets ahead of Lampard as a manager

 

[Saint Domingo]

Coming from the poster that ignores questions repeatedly and then ultimately waffles his way to not answering, it’s funny that you are so bothered.

Trying to remember what this has got to do with you what from your weird obsession with me

 

[John from Bootle]

What the difference in points per game dyche v Lampard?? At a guess I’d say there’s not much in it.
Considering Lampard had a worse squad 2yrs ago and the narrative is dyche is streets ahead of Lampard as a manager

Dunno mate. Dyche has unquestionably done a better job here. That's why he got to see out an actual full season. I know it's frustrating for you, seeing as you insisted Lampard should have been given "3 - 4 years even if we finish 16th or 17th during that time" but Dyche has unquestionably done better than Frank -new Coventry City manager- Lampard. Anybody else excited to see where he ends up?

Oh, and I don't recall saying Dyche is streets ahead of Frank, just better, at least up until now anyway.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

What the difference in points per game dyche v Lampard?? At a guess I’d say there’s not much in it.
Considering Lampard had a worse squad 2yrs ago and the narrative is dyche is streets ahead of Lampard as a manager

Lampard having a much worse squad is a total fallacy but I can just go back 100 pages to read this argument again

 

[GrandOldTeam]

What the difference in points per game dyche v Lampard?? At a guess I’d say there’s not much in it.
Considering Lampard had a worse squad 2yrs ago and the narrative is dyche is streets ahead of Lampard as a manager

According to Wikipedia;

Lampard: 44 Games. Won 12. Drawn 8. Lost 24. 27.3%
Dyche: 77 Games. Won 25. Drawn 23. Lost 29. 32.47%

I think our squad now is worse - we've had years of needing to sell. Richarlison, Iwobi, Gordon and Onana all start for us. Not to mention legs in players like Coleman.

Put it this way, we go down that season under Lampard if you take Richarlison out the team.

 

[Lowste]

Dunno mate. Dyche has unquestionably done a better job here. That's why he got to see out an actual full season. I know it's frustrating for you, seeing as you insisted Lampard should have been given "3 - 4 years even if we finish 16th or 17th during that time" but Dyche has unquestionably done better than Frank -new Coventry City manager- Lampard. Anybody else else excited to see where he ends up?

Oh, and I don't recall saying Dyche is streets ahead of Frank, just better, at least up until now anyway.

Have we sunk this low as a club when we are discussing the merits against Lampard v Dyche

 

[nsno-chris]

Is today the day you answer the question or do you need another 24 hours? 48 hours and a statement on a Friday would be very NSNO of you in fairness.

Like I said mate, it’s going to take a lot of time to really deep dive into this. For people who want the best, and don’t sell their soul down the river and betray the fabrics of this club, it is not a decision that can be taken lightly.

For others, yeah I guess it’s pretty for easy for them