2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[nsno-chris]

Losing to Brentford would have been the final straw mate. Scraping a draw against 10 man Brentford is fine though give him the next handful of games based off that

Who had won a single point away from home all seas.

 

[Neiler]

Anyone with a brain knows Dyche’s days here are numbered now as soon as Friedkin completes the takeover. Just not everybody needs to cry it in 24/7 like a shrieking banshee on here.

Mind you if you genuinely think your posts have a bearing on who manages Everton then no wonder you are the way you are.

Its an interesting thing on reflection, was going through a few former manager threads this morning, Silva, Koeman & Allardyce. The one consistent is we all got to this point, the sense of toxicity and anxiety to remove them.

So the take home really is this point we are at with Dyche is inevitable, its a predictable pattern and thread. The reasons for that predictable pattern are prob a point of reflection and debate.

Be interesting to see how hes remembered - if you are positively spinning previous managers, Silva had that run in the second half of his first season and in hindsight many would prob say we should have been patient, Allardyce got 8th, Koeman got Europe.

When Dyche he does go and the toxicity lifts, he will be remembered for saving the club from a hopeless cause year 1 and the double points deduction year 2 - at a point when the club was on his knees.

As i say where we are this point is predictable, we should expect it, familiarity has proven to breed contempt in a lot of our fan base consistently, the potation we are in now in this thread is one we have been in so many times before.

A point of reflection maybe on cause and effect.

 

[John from Bootle]

You may want to reconsider this statement

You think they want him sacked? They need to stop keeping clean sheets then, they could have had him out weeks ago

 

[John from Bootle]

Losing to Brentford would have been the final straw mate. Scraping a draw against 10 man Brentford is fine though give him the next handful of games based off that

It's not based off that though, is it. It's based on the fact we're probably underachieving by about 4-6 points and with circumstances what they are at the club most of us knew he wouldn't be getting sacked, no matter how much people want to cryarse.

I'd have joined the club if we lost though.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Its an interesting thing on reflection, was going through a few former manager threads this morning, Silva, Koeman & Allardyce. The one consistent is we all got to this point, the sense of toxicity and anxiety to remove them.

So the take home really is this point we are at with Dyche is inevitable, its a predictable pattern and thread. The reasons for that predictable pattern are prob a point of reflection and debate.

Be interesting to see how hes remembered - if you are positively spinning previous managers, Silva had that run in the second half of his first season and in hindsight many would prob say we should have been patient, Allardyce got 8th, Koeman got Europe.

When Dyche he does go and the toxicity lifts, he will be remembered for saving the club from a hopeless cause year 1 and the double points deduction year 2 - at a point when the club was on his knees.

As i say where we are this point is predictable, we should expect it, familiarity has proven to breed contempt in a lot of our fan base consistently, the potation we are in now in this thread is one we have been in so many times before.

A point of reflection maybe on cause and effect.

It’s just the reality of management especially under Moshiri, he fired very quickly for underperformance in the early days, and then he lost money/interest in the latter days with a poor squad and only fired when it looked as though we were definitely going down. The new owners will remove Dyche either a soon as they arrive or when the season finishes. It doesn’t change what he did at the club in his first 18 months though to get us through some very dark times.

 

[blueboy72]

If he'd had a bit more money to spend then results thus far would have been unacceptable for me. He's close to the edge though.

It's always hard to say what the tipping point will be for me. Going in to them Bournemouth games under Frank I was fairly relaxed. 3 games later I was done with him.

Defeat to Brentford would have been unacceptable and inexcusable; the poor start to the season meant even unlucky defeats would bring pressure.

Tomorrow I'm not really expecting anything, but I might turn if I think there's any signs he's lost the players as a whole, and not just our centre forward who is no doubt already somewhere else in his head.

I don't think he's lost the players yet. I don't reckon we turn the early season form around if that's the case. They were primed to have him sacked by game 5 or 6 if they wished. I don't reckon we pick up draws and clean sheets either if they have had it with them. Once the players are 'gone' it's always game over. It doesn't matter what you, I, or anybody else thinks at that point. What the players think is far more important, but that works both ways.

Whether the players are lost is not the only metric though, that's not what I'm saying. Quite frankly, he's got to win one of the next two.

I think some players are done with him. DCL for a start, Pickford is another who every game they have words on the sidelines, Pickford was tell him to make a sub last week. I can’t imagine that going down well. And I’d think Patterson and O’Brien are not that bothered what happens to him.

We know nothing probably happens till TFG come in, but I’m constantly reading from the like of you in Dyche’s corner, he needs to win the next or take 3 points out the next 2 Etc , Etc. we’ve been hearing it now for nearly 12 months.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

This thread has gone mad. Dyche mentioned he supported Liverpool as a kid and people can't bring themselves to say that they rather him at Everton than Rafael F÷€K!N BENITEZ!

Whos the biggest super bloo?

Dyche and the Pig are two turds flouting in the toilet that is Everton Football Club in 2024. What on earth is the point in debating which is worse? They're both still turds.

 

[Groucho]

I’ll be honest, I don’t mind him. I think he was the right tool for the job when he was brought in.

I admit to being frustrated at times but then that would apply to every single manager at every single club.

He did the biz with last day heroics and then dealt with a huge points deduction the season following which was absolutely none of his doing. All the while, with next to no money to bolster a squad not really up to the job.

Yes he’s slow to make appropriate subs, yes he’s slow to change playing patterns. Yes, two unbeaten runs this season feels like harder work than it should. In no way am I saying he’s perfect.

We are though in a strange state as a club at the moment. Imminent takeover, imminent move away from a historical home to a space age new one, it’s like we’re the footballing embodiment of that weird week between Christmas and new year.

New owners will put their own fashionable manager in charge and Sean Dyche will be well aware of this, he’s not daft. Aside from the fact that there’s no actual real-world board to give him the boot, if we got a new manager now that everyone likes, with this squad and “board” they’re equally as hamstrung as Sean Dyche has been, resource wise. Do we really want to blow our load early and risk another Moshiri-esque false dawn, or wait for TFG, new investment and an actual functioning board? Take the time to get it right and that.

Until then, I reckon he’s about the best holding-the-fort-but-not-a-stand-in-definitely-permanent manager. As I said, probably the right tool for the current job.

 

[John from Bootle]

I think some players are done with him. DCL for a start, Pickford is another who every game they have words on the sidelines, Pickford was tell him to make a sub last week. I can’t imagine that going down well. And I’d think Patterson and O’Brien are not that bothered what happens to him.

We know nothing probably happens till TFG come in, but I’m constantly reading from the like of you in Dyche’s corner, he needs to win the next or take 3 points out the next 2 Etc , Etc. we’ve been hearing it now for nearly 12 months.

12 months? Not sure about that like. I'm pretty sure there was a sizeable section of the support who were happy for him to start the season. Surely you must have been? You said you'd put up with 3/4 years of Frank finishing 16th/17th and Dyche easily surpassed that last season.

Mike asked me what it would take for me to turn. I've outlined that above, but of course, I've only posted all that out of my desire to defend Dyche

 

[Neiler]

It’s just the reality of management especially under Moshiri, he fired very quickly for underperformance in the early days, and then he lost money/interest in the latter days with a poor squad and only fired when it looked as though we were definitely going down. The new owners will remove Dyche either a soon as they arrive or when the season finishes. It doesn’t change what he did at the club in his first 18 months though to get us through some very dark times.

Dyche is our longest serving manager since, Martinez. I think what you eloquently describe as the trajectory of managerial churn on the clubs position and finance in that time frame is indicative of the point i am making on cause and effect of the trend i describe.

Taking the club element out of it. Focusing the spotlight on how we as a fanbase and a key stakeholder, have consistently and predicably responded to moments of adversity is a very interesting point of reflection and how it has fed into the dysfunction at the club. Presently where we are in the cross hairs of managerial change is a scope for an error margin being very fine and risk of getting wrong - consequences dire.

This thread and toxic reaction to the current manager is very predictable, in fact its not surprising at all, its happened with every manager, you can actually time it - Dyche has actually done comparatively well.

The bigger question is that, is growing cycle of toxicity or contempt with over familiarity toward managers in itself healthy for the football club or indeed is it part of the overall undermining variables at the club that have seen us to this point of regression.

This thread isn't new, the posts in it can be cut and paste from other threads in the very recent past, the trend is predictable and thus far has just led to repetition of the same mistake with the same outcome, undermining the club and regression.

There is nothing new here, the cycle is just reputing itself we're just doing the same dance again.

A reflection point maybe.

 

[MikeH72]

I think some players are done with him. DCL for a start, Pickford is another who every game they have words on the sidelines, Pickford was tell him to make a sub last week. I can’t imagine that going down well. And I’d think Patterson and O’Brien are not that bothered what happens to him.

We know nothing probably happens till TFG come in, but I’m constantly reading from the like of you in Dyche’s corner, he needs to win the next or take 3 points out the next 2 Etc , Etc. we’ve been hearing it now for nearly 12 months.

I reckon there’s a divide in the dressing room between his minions and the rest of the players, hence the lack of collective downing of tools and just throwing games to get him sacked. It’s probably the likes of Young, Tarkowski, Doucoure, McNeil, Keane and Harrison vs Pickford, DCL, Patterson, Branthwaite, O’Brien, Beto etc.

I think this situation may be arguably worse than if they were unanimously against him, because the fracture could and probably will spill over into the next manager’s tenure. It doesn’t look like a team that’s operating as a cohesively coached and harmonious unit at all. That’s the problem with having a toxic confrontational manager who picks battles, the effects can linger after he’s gone.

 

[MACCA75]

He’ll probably be remembered as the manager who relegated us, playing the worst, and sadly last, football that Goodison ever witnessed.

 

[Groucho]

This thread has gone mad. Dyche mentioned he supported Liverpool as a kid and people can't bring themselves to say that they rather him at Everton than Rafael F÷€K!N BENITEZ!

Whos the biggest super bloo?

Dave Watson, Peter Reid, Alan Harper, the list of boyhood reds we adore is a long one. Never been an issue for me personally.

 

[blueboy72]

12 months? Not sure about that like. I'm pretty sure there was a sizeable section of the support who were happy for him to start the season. Surely you must have been? You said you'd put up with 3/4 years of Frank finishing 16th/17th and Dyche easily surpassed that last season.

Mike asked me what it would take for me to turn. I've outlined that above, but of course, I've only posted all that out of my desire to defend Dyche

50% of fan base at most I’d say is that Sizeable? , I would happily give any manager 3/4yrs including dyche,
Big that’s on the basis there’s signs of improvement, not just results, but playing style, the players we target, showing tactical nous, want to attack and get the fans invested in the games.

Dyche in 2yrs has shown no signs of changing anything and still playing this constant turgid football and setting up for 0-0’s at home. I eventually gave up on lampard, it’s a shame after 2
Years you can’t on dyche

 

[John from Bootle]

50% of fan base at most I’d say is that Sizeable? , I would happily give any manager 3/4yrs including dyche,
Big that’s on the basis there’s signs of improvement, not just results, but playing style, the players we target, showing tactical nous, want to attack and get the fans invested in the games.

Dyche in 2yrs has shown no signs of changing anything and still playing this constant turgid football and setting up for 0-0’s at home. I eventually gave up on lampard, it’s a shame after 2
Years you can’t on dyche

I'm pretty sure more than 50% of the fans were happy with him starting the season. Or if not happy, respectful of the fact he'd probably earned it.

I don't want to give up on him mate. I hope he keeps his job by getting some points in the next two games. A clean sheet at United would be a start.