2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[blueboy72]

I'm pretty sure more than 50% of the fans were happy with him starting the season. Or if not happy, respectful of the fact he'd probably earned it.

I don't want to give up on him mate. I hope he keeps his job by getting some points in the next two games. A clean sheet at United would be a start.

You don’t go from 85/90% wanting him gone after that horrendous run and the 6-0 at Chelsea to 7 games later and a few wins against the bottom 6, 30/40% changing their minds. So you’re happy to set up for 0-0’s every week, interesting. 7 wins in 33, 3 goals scored since September. But carry on dyche. I can’t wait till the take over is completed and he’s removed asap

 

[derek duvall]

Its an interesting thing on reflection, was going through a few former manager threads this morning, Silva, Koeman & Allardyce. The one consistent is we all got to this point, the sense of toxicity and anxiety to remove them.

So the take home really is this point we are at with Dyche is inevitable, its a predictable pattern and thread. The reasons for that predictable pattern are prob a point of reflection and debate.

Be interesting to see how hes remembered - if you are positively spinning previous managers, Silva had that run in the second half of his first season and in hindsight many would prob say we should have been patient, Allardyce got 8th, Koeman got Europe.

When Dyche he does go and the toxicity lifts, he will be remembered for saving the club from a hopeless cause year 1 and the double points deduction year 2 - at a point when the club was on his knees.

As i say where we are this point is predictable, we should expect it, familiarity has proven to breed contempt in a lot of our fan base consistently, the potation we are in now in this thread is one we have been in so many times before.

A point of reflection maybe on cause and effect.

A load of garbage for me I’m afraid. He did the job expected for an experienced premier league manager on a ridiculously high wage. This type of praise is on par with getting a statue built or naming the stadium after him.

How, with so many games to play in year 1 and a full season to beat Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton Town to relegation, even with the points deduction, warrants statements like ‘saved the club’ and how people act like no other manager could have achieved that, I’ll never know.

Did the job expected but overall is and has always been a crap football manager and arrogant narcissist to boot. Has continuously thrown the players and club under the bus at every opportunity to cover up his deficiencies, comes up with pathetic excuses each week and genuinely believes he’s doing a good job.

He is simply untouchable to some but for me it will be a great day for Everton Football Club when this dinosaur finally leaves

 

[Neiler]

A load of garbage for me I’m afraid. He did the job expected for an experienced premier league manager on a ridiculously high wage. This type of praise is on par with getting a statue built or naming the stadium after him.

How, with so many games to play in year 1 and a full season to beat Burnley, Sheffield United and Luton Town to relegation, even with the points deduction, warrants statements like ‘saved the club’ and how people act like no other manager could have achieved that, I’ll never know.

Did the job expected but overall is and has always been a crap football manager and arrogant narcissist to boot. Has continuously thrown the players and club under the bus at every opportunity to cover up his deficiencies, comes up with pathetic excuses each week and genuinely believes he’s doing a good job.

He is simply untouchable to some but for me it will be a great day for Everton Football Club when this dinosaur finally leaves

Wouldn't agree mate, with respect to an alternative view and all that, think when the toxicity lifts, i think most will be very grateful for the first season and half. In fact im fairly certain of it.

I haven't given up on this season if im being totally honest, its still live to be able to crystalize -its below my expectation though admittedly.

 

[John from Bootle]

You don’t go from 85/90% wanting him gone after that horrendous run and the 6-0 at Chelsea to 7 games later and a few wins against the bottom 6, 30/40% changing their minds. So you’re happy to set up for 0-0’s every week, interesting. 7 wins in 33, 3 goals scored since September. But carry on dyche. I can’t wait till the take over is completed and he’s removed asap

I'm happy for us to be a defense minded side, yes.

As I've said several times...

I'm not ploughing on with anything. I've said all along that I don't see enough goals in this squad. I've said on more than one occasion that I'm absolutely sure there's managers who could get us playing what is deemed more attractive football. I've said all along that I'm absolutely sure there's managers who would make us more attacking and score more, but this would invariably lead to more goals conceded and I'm not convinced it would even itself out.

Dyche improved our goal tally by 6 last season. It won us an extra 12 points. Leicester scored 17 more goals than us the season they got relegated.

There's no point in us scoring 10 more goals this season if we concede 15 more.

He has to back this up by getting points though. I'd be more than happy for David Moyes to come in and do it if he can't.

I'm convinced a conservative way of playing is the only way to go with this squad, though hopefully Broja and Chermiti can add something.

 

[matty1878]

I'm happy for us to be a defense minded side, yes.

As I've said several times...



He has to back this up by getting points though. I'd be more than happy for David Moyes to come in and do it if he can't.

I'm convinced a conservative way of playing is the only way to go with this squad, though hopefully Broja and Chermiti can add something.

no dyche no moyes

 

[John from Bootle]

no dyche no moyes

I bet Moyes has a better track record than anybody you've suggested Matthew.

You preoccupy yourself with style like we're about to gatecrash the elite if you want. I'll put my hat on some actual proven good managers for the next one thanks mate. Namely Moyes, Mourinho or Thomas Frank.

 

[Simon Buttle]

I bet Moyes has a better track record than anybody you've suggested Matthew.

You preoccupy yourself with style like we're about to gatecrash the elite if you want. I'll put my hat on some actual proven good managers for the next one thanks mate. Namely Moyes, Mourinho or Thomas Frank.

Have you ever actually looked at Moyes record, lets put the Inter Totto Conference League rubbish aside for one second, for a guy who has managed 1100+ games his record is actually pretty poor, not even won half of them and just above 40% win rate. He isn't the answer, not even in the short term. Its the best part of 11 years since he was here and some of our fanbase really need to grow up and move on.

 

[blueboy72]

I'm happy for us to be a defense minded side, yes.

As I've said several times...



He has to back this up by getting points though. I'd be more than happy for David Moyes to come in and do it if he can't.

I'm convinced a conservative way of playing is the only way to go with this squad, though hopefully Broja and Chermiti can add something.

I disagree he should be getting more out of our attackers. Southampton will probably go down, but they went after Brighton from a goal down get unlucky with a disallowed goal. Anyway only rumours, but apparently TFG have spoken to Thelwell and are happy for him to stay, I’d imagine managers/agents have already been sounded out.

 

[Harryflashman]

I’ll be honest, I don’t mind him. I think he was the right tool for the job when he was brought in.

I admit to being frustrated at times but then that would apply to every single manager at every single club.

He did the biz with last day heroics and then dealt with a huge points deduction the season following which was absolutely none of his doing. All the while, with next to no money to bolster a squad not really up to the job.

Yes he’s slow to make appropriate subs, yes he’s slow to change playing patterns. Yes, two unbeaten runs this season feels like harder work than it should. In no way am I saying he’s perfect.

We are though in a strange state as a club at the moment. Imminent takeover, imminent move away from a historical home to a space age new one, it’s like we’re the footballing embodiment of that weird week between Christmas and new year.

New owners will put their own fashionable manager in charge and Sean Dyche will be well aware of this, he’s not daft. Aside from the fact that there’s no actual real-world board to give him the boot, if we got a new manager now that everyone likes, with this squad and “board” they’re equally as hamstrung as Sean Dyche has been, resource wise. Do we really want to blow our load early and risk another Moshiri-esque false dawn, or wait for TFG, new investment and an actual functioning board? Take the time to get it right and that.

Until then, I reckon he’s about the best holding-the-fort-but-not-a-stand-in-definitely-permanent manager. As I said, probably the right tool for the current job.

Up until this run of games I was in your camp . I didn’t want him but think he did a very decent job both seasons for different circumstances, I’m struggling at the minute if I’m honest .

I’d love him to go into a decent run and turn the form around but it just feels a million miles away .

 

[LEONARD]

Just listen to his recent press conferences.

Has no attachment to our club, it's all the players fault, and has sly digs at the fans.

With 6 months left on his contract, and zero chance of any extension, he appears to be actively agitating for a sacking and some kind of payoff.

 

[John from Bootle]

Have you ever actually looked at Moyes record, lets put the Inter Totto Conference League rubbish aside for one second, for a guy who has managed 1100+ games his record is actually pretty poor, not even won half of them and just above 40% win rate. He isn't the answer, not even in the short term. Its the best part of 11 years since he was here and some of our fanbase really need to grow up and move on.

It's not about moving on. Or growing up. I'm 47 thanks.

He would take us away from where we are, and in to the top half in a couple of season with a little bit of backing imo. That's good enough for me thanks. Nobody said he would have to be here forever.

It's got sod all to do with the fact he's been here before. I wouldn't have any of the others back. In fact, the been here before argument reflects more badly on those using it. It shows they are blinkered. If he'd done what he'd done at clubs other than Everton, he'd still definitely be in the discussion, just like people like Thomas Frank are.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Just listen to his recent press conferences.

Has no attachment to our club, it's all the players fault, and has sly digs at the fans.

With 6 months left on his contract, and zero chance of any extension, he appears to be actively agitating for a sacking and some kind of payoff.

This is very much not recent and has been the case since the start. When he came in and we were safe it was all "the fans are great", then when we didn't win for a cosmic age, it felt like, it shifted to "well the fans don't help at all do they? Some fans even wanted 7th haha" to now this.

 

[blueboy72]

Just listen to his recent press conferences.

Has no attachment to our club, it's all the players fault, and has sly digs at the fans.

With 6 months left on his contract, and zero chance of any extension, he appears to be actively agitating for a sacking and some kind of payoff.

I Remember big Sam taking about the following season and buying players in the summer,
Knowing full well he wasn’t staying just to wind up the fans. If dyche is still here into next year, I have no doubt he will go Down this route.

 

[JLW]

Have you ever actually looked at Moyes record, lets put the Inter Totto Conference League rubbish aside for one second, for a guy who has managed 1100+ games his record is actually pretty poor, not even won half of them and just above 40% win rate. He isn't the answer, not even in the short term. Its the best part of 11 years since he was here and some of our fanbase really need to grow up and move on.

Moyes is in the same category as your Dyches Allardyce Benitez Pulis Bruce McLeish, he is the best of them but that doesnt mean he is the man to take us forward. He relegated Sunderland, he was fired by West ham first time around, he failed miserably at UTD when they we re champions, binned of by Real Sociedad after a few months.

He is the last manager i want to see here apart from our current one.

Football and its approach has changed, that's why you have these new modern managers outperforming experienced managers like Dyche Moyes.
The game is a lot more tactical now, these dinosaurs just instill values like work hard, run hard, and shape without much tactical input, thats why they are getting left behind and struggling and never get offered a top job at the correct end of the table.

 

[Simon Buttle]

It's not about moving on. Or growing up. I'm 47 thanks.

He would take us away from where we are, and in to the top half in a couple of season with a little bit of backing imo. That's good enough for me thanks. Nobody said he would have to be here forever.

It's got sod all to do with the fact he's been here before. I wouldn't have any of the others back. In fact, the been here before argument reflects more badly on those using it. It shows they are blinkered. If he'd done what he'd done at clubs other than Everton, he'd still definitely be in the discussion, just like people like Thomas Frank are.

I'm not convinced he would though, the game has just moved on, managers just need a bit more about them these days. Why do you think he seems to be still out of work mate? I'm still unsure why we have to stick with the usual suspects list of PL managers, a route we have always gone in the past and its achieved nothing. Think it will be a foreigner myself.