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2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

John from Bootle said:
It's not about Dyche anymore mate. He's not surviving new owners anyway.

It's not for me to tell people what to do, I just think a big atmosphere will help us. If this was the last game of the season and we needed a result, I'm pretty sure everybody would forget their hatred of Dyche and turn up the noise. We know he's not popular. We know what his MO is - which part of the reason we appointed him in the first place, he didn't give himself a contract. On top of that, we know he's not surviving long term barring an astonishing run of results.

I just think it's futile to be showing our dissatisfaction now mate. It's a big game and I think we need to treat it as such. I literally said I'm not blaming the fans for anything.
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What, in the Sean Dyche thread?

It’s not about showing our dissatisfaction either is it? The general malaise and apathy of the fanbase is because of the last 4 odd seasons which have culminated in a bloke in charge breaking the worst records in our history who doesn’t even set a team up to score a goal and blames everyone and everything except himself ffs! How on earth do you expect these fans, who have suffered enough “entertainment”, to forget about what they are actually seeing from this manager who gives the crowd absolutely nothing to get behind? If you want the fans, give them something, give them some energy and a gameplan to get behind, it’s not rocket science.

I can’t wait for the fans to be roaring on from the sidelines for the 65 minutes that Wolves will have the ball while the Everton team sit off and let them dictate the game tonight, especially after Bournemouth just showed exactly how you beat them by doing the opposite. what is it you want the fans to be doing at that point?

Imagine going to see your favourite band play live and then their manager comes out, unplugs all the equipment and turns the lights off. He then instructs them to only play acoustic cover versions of other bands 30 year old songs. As a paying fan are you as excited as you were before the game? Are you screaming on in delight between songs? Will you be asking other fans to really get behind the band?
Now imagine you’ve seen this show at least 60 times before, still enthused?
 
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Clarky cat said:
What, in the Sean Dyche thread?

It’s not about showing our dissatisfaction either is it? The general malaise and apathy of the fanbase is because of the last 4 seasons which have culminated in a bloke in charge breaking the worst records in our history who doesn’t even set a team up to score a goal ffs! How on earth do you expect these fans, who have suffered enough “entertainment”, to forget about what they are actually seeing from this manager who gives the crowd absolutely nothing to get behind? If you ant the fans, give them something, give them some energy and a gameplan to get behind, it’s not rocket science.

I can’t wait for the fans to be roaring on from the sidelines for the 65 minutes that Wolves will have the ball while the Everton team sit off and let them dictate the game tonight, what is it you want them to be doing at that point?
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Probably for the best if we all just sit there, sulking. Angry. Waiting to fume at our own players.
 

Toffeepot said:
Chris Wood is the perfect example

He also said yesterday that he's learned that at Everton every game is important. He said it like he had cracked the enigma code
Get him gone tf
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The fact he had to “learn” this is alarming. It suggests the at he previously saw some games an unimportant. Fans don’t pay to attend football matches for a laugh, for the fun of it. They go to each and every game with the end goal of seeing the team win the game. Is he telling here that at both Everton and Burnley he’s essentially thrown certain games because he deems them unimportant enough to bother trying? Probably explains his dismal August record, he’s probably been drilling it into the players that they’re just extensions of pre-season and don’t matter in the long run.

I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face. He is a genuinely abysmal manager. He will not work at Premier League level ever again after he leaves here. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he just drifted along and stopped getting job offers like the likes of Pulis and Hughes eventually did.
 
Clarky cat said:
What, in the Sean Dyche thread?

It’s not about showing our dissatisfaction either is it? The general malaise and apathy of the fanbase is because of the last 4 seasons which have culminated in a bloke in charge breaking the worst records in our history who doesn’t even set a team up to score a goal ffs! How on earth do you expect these fans, who have suffered enough “entertainment”, to forget about what they are actually seeing from this manager who gives the crowd absolutely nothing to get behind? If you want the fans, give them something, give them some energy and a gameplan to get behind, it’s not rocket science.

I can’t wait for the fans to be roaring on from the sidelines for the 65 minutes that Wolves will have the ball while the Everton team sit off and let them dictate the game tonight, what is it you want them to be doing at that point?

Imagine going to see your favourite band play live and then their manager comes out, unplugs all the equipment and turns the lights off. He then instructs them to only play acoustic cover versions of other bands 30 year old songs. As a paying fan are you as excited as you were before the game? Are you screaming on in delight between songs? Will you be asking other fans to really get behind the band?
Now imagine you’ve seen this show at least 60 times before, still enthused?
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I think it's been a bit more than apathy this season. God knows we're a hard watch so I do get it to some extent but there's been a weird atmosphere at the game right from the start of the season I think, people have just seemed even angrier than normal, ready to get on their back at the slightest thing. There are people around me in the Gwladys who spend most of the game shouting 'JUST GET IT FORWARD' 'STOP MESSING ABOUT' etc and then start going on about how the tactics are awful and all we do is hoof it. It does feel like people are almost waiting for a trigger for their rage.
 
nsno-chris said:
Do you think if he was competent at his job, didn’t make excuses at every given opportunity, was truthful and accepted criticism then he may have kept his job??
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I don't think he wasn't keeping his job with TFG no matter what he did.

I think the reports that Rangnick was replacing him under TFG before they walked away in July were accurate.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Probably for the best if we all just sit there, sulking. Angry. Waiting to fume at our own players.
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Managers come and go.
What is important is the club.
It makes no sense not to back the team to the full and to support them to try to get safe in the league table.

Only then can we really move forward as a club. Staying in the Premiership will give us access to more money, better Managers, better players.

At the start of the season I thought we would be a comfortable mid table.
I believed Sean Dyche was auditioning for a longer contract. I still believe he did well in the previous two seasons in spite of huge hindrances.
I think that audition has been failed miserably.
I think we have managed to disapprove from last season even though I think our squad is better.

Nonetheless, points are vital, survival is vital and support for the rmteam is vital.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
I don't think he wasn't keeping his job with TFG no matter what he did.

I think the reports that Rangnick was replacing him under TFG before they walked away in July were accurate.
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Yeah but if he wasn't a dour knobhead he'd have kept his job until his contract ran out instead of being forced out early due to being his obtuse self, with us sitting normally in/around midtable way before the last kick of a ball and him being thanked for an alright-at-best job under difficult circumstances.

Instead, negativity galore, which breeds even more negativity. Good stuff, last season at Goodison as well, celebration time and we should all be happy, right?
 
DualityNSNO said:
Yeah but if he wasn't a dour knobhead he'd have kept his job until his contract ran out instead of being forced out early due to being his obtuse self, with us sitting normally in/around midtable way before the last kick of a ball and him being thanked for an alright-at-best job under difficult circumstances.

Instead, negativity galore, which breeds even more negativity. Good stuff, last season at Goodison as well, celebration time and we should all be happy, right?
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I used to be on Moyes case for downplaying expectations at every turn. As he's always done. For that exact reason.

But I can't get on Dyche's case when for years, I've been crying we're relegation fodder because no pace/goals.

I mean, I share this view. We then make a profit every window and have point deductions. To then just blame the manager seems odd.

That's not saying he's not part of the problem, it's saying the problem remains when he goes.

The good news is, if this team is better than we're seeing as plenty keep telling me, then the new guy will only take us up. We can't get any worse than Sean Dyche can we? So we should be sound, especially factoring in evitable spend in Jan.
 

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