2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[pfim]

As you correctly point out as you don’t attend the matches it’s far easier to endure the dire football on display since you can choose to turn of the stream at any point and find something more rewarding to do.
It does make a difference.
Our perpetual fear of relegation has led us to Dyche.
The fact that apparently we are the only club that would cease to exist with relegation.
It’s the monkey on our back that has destroyed the club .
We lack any aspiration , we display zero bravery.
We are a sad little husk of a once great club , desperate to exist in the margins , unnoticed and unremarked.
A contemptible cowardly entity of no real value except to its own supporters .
Dyche is the living embodiment of that sporting cowardice , he is limited in ability, tactically inept and lacks any vision .
We deserve each other really .
Hope you find a good stream for Saturday.

We're the only one, in our revenue bracket, with 660 million in debt.

 

[DualityNSNO]

We're the only one, in our revenue bracket, with 660 million in debt.

Always on top, record breakers.

 

[Lanolin]

It's not working for Gary O'Neil either, no one is calling him vain. It's all about results.

If their employers have an issue with it, they'd be fired. Conversely, if I was Russel Martin and I got the Soton job based on the style I want to implement, then I scrap that, I wouldn't have a job very long either.

I just find the implication that these guys are selfish because of the style they play as wrong, especially when they serve at the pleasure of a board or DoF.

I wouldn't say it's selfish, it's just generally seen as being a bit daft to prioritise style over substance. As I said, it certainly was here when Martinez was doing it. Personally I thought Burnley's squad last season was good enough to get a lot more points than they did, but they were soft and easy to play against and it cost them in the long run. For me, I have absolutely no interest in seeing a manager do that at Everton, I don't like Dyche's style and I didn't like Allardyce's (or even Ancelotti's while we're at it) but i'd much rather see us safe playing like that than go down with a whimper but get a load of pats on the head for 'playing the right way'.

 

[davek]

His job is to get Everton mid table, his job is to impress the new owners so he gets kept on, he failing both.

Mid-table with this lot? A Pep-Ancelotti dream team couldn't get this lot to mid-table. I mean, it's a good aspiration to have. Nothing wrong in that. But as an expectation? Pfffft!

 

[Lanolin]

As you correctly point out as you don’t attend the matches it’s far easier to endure the dire football on display since you can choose to turn of the stream at any point and find something more rewarding to do.
It does make a difference.
Our perpetual fear of relegation has led us to Dyche.
The fact that apparently we are the only club that would cease to exist with relegation.
It’s the monkey on our back that has destroyed the club .
We lack any aspiration , we display zero bravery.
We are a sad little husk of a once great club , desperate to exist in the margins , unnoticed and unremarked.
A contemptible cowardly entity of no real value except to its own supporters .
Dyche is the living embodiment of that sporting cowardice , he is limited in ability, tactically inept and lacks any vision .
We deserve each other really .
Hope you find a good stream for Saturday.

I think there's a genuine chance we could have ceased to exist if we'd got relegated. The stadium is costing an inordinate amount of money and the owner checked out long ago, if we'd gone down it could have been catastrophic. Hopefully the new owners mean if it happened now we'd be alright but relegation wouldn't just have been an annoyance, I think there's a real chance it could have been the end.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Mid-table with this lot? A Pep-Ancelotti dream team couldn't get this lot to mid-table. I mean, it's a good aspiration to have. Nothing wrong in that. But as an expectation? Pfffft!

I’d expect a team that got 48 points last season that sold 1 player who the manager never played and brought in more attacking players in Ndy and Bro to get more then 48 points getting us 12-14

 

[davek]

I’d expect a team that got 48 points last season that sold 1 player who the manager never played and brought in more attacking players in Ndy and Bro to get more then 48 points getting us 12-14

We''ll get to that tally IMO. But that wont be mid-table. And we should 'expect' no more than 48 points...though we might get it.

 

[Raino85]

That's not quite the same as what he's talking about though. What Dyche and Allardyce do is - theoretically at least - diametrically opposed to what Kompany did and Martin is doing. The argument being put forward is that Kompany and Martin are putting style over substance, whereas what the other 2 do would be the exact opposite. Obviously that only works for as long there actually is substance and that has been questionable here this season, but the 2 things aren't really the same at all.

I dont think you understand style over substance

Style = A type of play, whether nice and pretty or long tough rugger ball, eavh is a 'style'
Substance = Results, results in which Dyche is not particularly getting over the course of this season

 

[Saint Domingo]

I think there's a genuine chance we could have ceased to exist if we'd got relegated. The stadium is costing an inordinate amount of money and the owner checked out long ago, if we'd gone down it could have been catastrophic. Hopefully the new owners mean if it happened now we'd be alright but relegation wouldn't just have been an annoyance, I think there's a real chance it could have been the end.

The downside has been ginormous these last few seasons: relegation, administration, fire sale on any playing assets at distressed prices, takeover at risk, further points deductions, potentially leasing the new stadium, every horrible scenario all the way upto winding up.

The upside has been: 10th or 11th place and some marginally more ‘entertaining’ football.

Not recognising the potential downside of changing managers in this period could have been absolutely catastrophic for the club. If we’d got rid of Dyche at the start of last season a new manager may have done slightly better, but if he’d have done a Kompany/Martin etc. then there’d be no Friedkin takeover now and we’d be enjoying the first of many points deductions and probably involved in a very different relegation battle in the championship.

 

[Lanolin]

I dont think you understand style over substance

Style = A type of play, whether nice and pretty or long tough rugger ball, eavh is a 'style'
Substance = Results, results in which Dyche is not particularly getting over the course of this season

Yes I understand it mate, I actually mentioned that very point in the post you're quoting. I know you said 2 paragraphs was too long for you last time, but 3 lines?

 

[Saint Domingo]

I’d expect a team that got 48 points last season that sold 1 player who the manager never played and brought in more attacking players in Ndy and Bro to get more then 48 points getting us 12-14

Is this Onana? He played him loads of times!

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

We win our next 4 games he still shouldn’t be kept on.

 

[pfim]

I wouldn't say it's selfish, it's just generally seen as being a bit daft to prioritise style over substance. As I said, it certainly was here when Martinez was doing it. Personally I thought Burnley's squad last season was good enough to get a lot more points than they did, but they were soft and easy to play against and it cost them in the long run. For me, I have absolutely no interest in seeing a manager do that at Everton, I don't like Dyche's style and I didn't like Allardyce's (or even Ancelotti's while we're at it) but i'd much rather see us safe playing like that than go down with a whimper but get a load of pats on the head for 'playing the right way'.

Well the word vanity was used in the first post of this conversation. I think that's wrong.

Of course I would rather be in the PL than stand on principle, but let's be clear Dyche stands on principle just as much as Russell Martin. And the results have only been marginally better thus far.

I don't think Burnley stay up last season regardless of style. There is such a huge gap between the leagues these days, you need to have a very special squad and manager, backed by millions and millions in the transfer market, to have a chance.

 

[NathDogg]

Have to say, I have missed your nonsense @davek, glad your back.

 

[NathDogg]

We win our next 4 games he still shouldn’t be kept on.

Amen brother. I want us to win every single game we play.

That has no impact on my thoughts and feelings about Dyche, he had his chance at the biggest job he will ever get and he’s blown it.

Thanks for not very much really, but you did ok during the points deductions, don’t let the door hit yer arse on the way out.