2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Delargeinho]

38 probs will. But it’s just small time mentality to be fine with that. We aren’t a great team but there are a LOT of crap teams in this division.

Jep, it is as I said. We are not good enough yet to expect top half, but this squad should be able to get 45-50 points, which gets you never involved in big relegation danger and mostly save a few games before the end.

 

[Neiler]

Agree, Dyche set up really stifles our attacking players and that is what forms my opinion that this manager is holding us back.

TFG also want to make the most of our academy yet we have a manager that point blank refuses to play younger players unless absolutely desperate.

I suppose when i look at our starting attacking unit and think to myself mate what players would i like to see us move on from to improve i come up with:

Dom
The Duke at 10.
Harrison

I'm open minded on McNeill but id like us to progress to a point where he is struggling to get a game. Lidstrom id be surprised if he's here or impacts long term. Illy of course is a lock.

These are the lids who are starting games for us in the main up top.

To be honest i dont think any of us would be to disappointed if any of them moved on.

In the same way wed all be gutted if we sold Jarrod or Pickford.

That's telling in my opinion.

 

[Curtis]

Fair points mate and id take on board a degree of it, but id also say our best players are in the defensive unit and not the attacking one.

I say this sincerely i appreciate the civil discourse I agree somewhat yes tarks , pickford and Branthwaite are some of our better players but im not even asking for spurs level of goals as ange Is basically the anti dyche over emphasis on attack while playing kamikaze ball with high line I think even with average attackers you give them more chances to score it will happen. Pretty obvious stuff but there also has to be a clear plan for attack which suits those players which I dont see. also I feel dcl has scuffed some clear chances but there's other times he's completely isolated by himself witg the ball fighting to hold possession which I respect

I just don't think dyche offers the attackers, limited as they are , the support and tactics to increase their goal haul. Just the way he talked about how ndiaye should be mindful of defending while making an attacking run indicates to me attacking is secondary to him not that attackers can't contribute at both sides he's just seems dogmatic about it. I just would like to see balance in the tactics

 

[twoblue]

I think it is really damning, that in them stats I have posted we are currently very much on a par with the Mike Walker, Howard Kendall and Walter Smith reigns yet this manager is doing a wonderful job. I wasn`t hearing those other managers being so fondly spoken of at the time for the job they were doing!

There would have been club boardroom turmoil back then too...

Two managers given big money to spend, to take the club forward and challenge for the title. Face relagation… equals bad job.
One manager given nothing to improve the squad, a relegation threatened team with Keeps us afloat.
Different times, different remit.

Think Howard Kendall is spoken of quite highly btw

 

[badloaf]

Its the basis of the thread really mate, results are either down to the manager not being good enough or the players. (Maybe its both).

Its where you land in that spectrum.

But if we could score goals wed be a really competitive PL team.

That’s Dyche’s biggest problem though, isn’t it? He can’t set teams up to attack, he only knows how to defend and he prioritises that over everything. We could have Haaland playing up front and he’d struggle to score more than eight in a season with the lack of service that’s built into Dyche’s formations.

 

[Curtis]

Must be really inviting for any blues to want to come and talk about their position on Dyche on our forum to see the same six posters just doing page after page of stubborn pettiness. Truly a community for all.

What truer homage to sean dyche than exhibiting stubborn pettiness in the name of their king of the dinosaurs

 

[Curtis]

Is it really that surprising we keep clean sheets when we sacrifice our whole attacking game to get 9 outfield players to defend?

Thank you I have been losing my mind trying to convey that reality, it seems like that fact is lost on so many people

 

[blueboy72]

None of those are joining Everton in the current state.
Apart from your mum, who’s not fussy

Loads will be wanting the job in the summer

 

[Neiler]

I say this sincerely i appreciate the civil discourse I agree somewhat yes tarks , pickford and Branthwaite are some of our better players but im not even asking for spurs level of goals as ange Is basically the anti dyche over emphasis on attack while playing kamikaze ball with high line I think even with average attackers you give them more chances to score it will happen. Pretty obvious stuff but there also has to be a clear plan for attack which suits those players which I dont see. also I feel dcl has scuffed some clear chances but there's other times he's completely isolated by himself witg the ball fighting to hold possession which I respect

I just don't think dyche offers the attackers limited as they are the support and tactics to increase their goal haul. Just the way he talked about how ndiaye should be mindful of defending while making an attacking run indicates to me attacking is secondary to him not that attackers can't contribute at both sides he's just seems dogmatic about it. I just would like to see balance in the tactics

I tend to treat people how they treat others on here mate, so don't fret, we don't have to agree on football.

Fair points, i do think we make chances i posted something yesterday, illustrating chances we made at big moments in recent games that i think higher quality PL players finish, but ours dont have the quality to do it. There are chances, we are and have been for a few seasons now bad at converting.

Are we a pragmatic side, sure i think we have to be, but i think we are also an aggressive side who have a go - but dont have the quality to finish. I think we've tried thigs to attack and score more, we played far to open at Chelsea last year and got routed, for the first ten games this year i think we tried to be more expansive and resulted in being prob the worst defense in English football and when we changed it back we're one of the best in Europe - that tells me there are deficiencies in the team somewhere - we have to compensate for to get results. Does that mean that we cant be an expansive team all the time, sure, but does it mean we don't make chances - no, we do and we make a enough of sufficient quality that you expect players at this level to finish.

We all watch games - surely none of us are happy with our standard or quality of finishing are we?

 

[Delargeinho]

That’s Dyche’s biggest problem though, isn’t it? He can’t set teams up to attack, he only knows how to defend and he prioritises that over everything. We could have Haaland playing up front and he’d struggle to score more than eight in a season with the lack of service that’s built into Dyche’s formations.

We are not creating enough in most games, as I mentioned before and regressed massively from last season.


Two minded on that, Chris Wood proofed 4 seasons that it's possible and now even does better under Nuno that plays to some point a similar system.

It's a problem, we have players like Michael Keane, McNeil and Ndiaye, who scored chances that were not really big.

But also have players like DCL and Harrison that have been pretty wasteful, and are in the top 10 of the players this season of wasted chances.

 

[Neiler]

That’s Dyche’s biggest problem though, isn’t it? He can’t set teams up to attack, he only knows how to defend and he prioritises that over everything. We could have Haaland playing up front and he’d struggle to score more than eight in a season with the lack of service that’s built into Dyche’s formations.

Big Erlings struggling a bit at the moment to be fair to him mate.

 

[Saint Domingo]

22/23 - 18 games - 21 points - 1.16 ppg

23/35 - 38 games - 48 points - 1.26 ppg

24/25 17 games - 17 points - 1 ppg

However - in the 13 games since the nightmare start we’ve been going at 1.3 ppg a form very similar to last season (I’m not discounting these 4 games for those about to vent their spleen and shriek hysterically)

If we continued with the form we showed over 38 games last season, and the last 13 this season, we would finish this season on 44 points (17+27). Again I said ‘IF’ for those getting triggered right now, please read the next sentence.

Equally If we continue with the complete form of this season 1ppg then we would finish on 38 points obviously.

Everyone can have their own opinion but I tend to look at the larger samples. Any run of form that Dyche has previously displayed with us even his very worst over a long stretch of games probably sees us survive. However given that for 52 of the last 56 games we’ve been running at 1.26-1.3 ppg then I’d like to think that we could continue somewhere closer to that for the rest of the season which would see us home safely.

Obviously anything can happen including injuries to key players and it wouldn’t shock me to see this team beat Forest and Bournemouth, it also wouldn’t shock me to see us beaten by both. It’s inconsistent game to game but over the longer stretches of games seem to be getting back towards last season’s form.

To shorten it even more, when Branthwaite plays we’re not getting relegated. When he doesn’t all bets are off.

 

[bobbylatch]

Probably been posted before, but this made me laugh. He may be a dinosaur but he is our dinosaur.

 

[MrGrumpy]

None of those are joining Everton in the current state.
Apart from your mum, who’s not fussy

Think they would mate, for one a pay rise, new stadium, new players

 

[Lapeno77]

That’s Dyche’s biggest problem though, isn’t it? He can’t set teams up to attack, he only knows how to defend and he prioritises that over everything. We could have Haaland playing up front and he’d struggle to score more than eight in a season with the lack of service that’s built into Dyche’s formations.

Think the only strikee that could be successful in this Dyche set up is the original Ronaldo