2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[ForeverEverton]

Course he can.

Doesn’t mean there much more from this group.

Weird stance, all this to defend a manager that is clearly done, over 90% want rid...

But I think your man will stay in place due to the new absent owners we have.

 

[pfim]

Why do you keep bringing the comparison with our squad? The talking point was a squad of players that improved simply by playing under a different manager. Forest are the best example of that I can think of. Their squad is basically the same one that Cooper had. They changed their manager and all them instantly improved, as if by magic.

Is Forest’s squad better than Spurs or United’s would you say?

Because that is what I was replying to originally? Are you following the conversation?

5 of their 11 starters yesterday were brought in after Cooper, btw.

 

[COYBL25]

Nope I’d say Nuno is a better coach than Dyche. But he’s got way better players too.

So by that reckoning if Dyche had gone to Forest he’d have them much higher up the table than we are now ?

 

[matty1878]

Weird stance, all this to defend a manager that is clearly done, over 90% want rid...

But I think your man will stay in place due to the new absent owners we have.

the chairman that was there two weeks ago

 

[SuperKev91]

Who? Name them, I bet they were there under Steve Cooper performing terribly.

Anderson, Milenkovic, Sosa to name three that starred yesterday and arrived in the summer.

But if you don’t rate Murillo, Gibbs-White etc then I dunno what to tell you.

 

[matty1878]

Course he can.

Doesn’t mean there much more from this group.

so therefore “much more “

is more than we are getting

so dyche out

 

[SuperKev91]

So by that reckoning if Dyche had gone to Forest he’d have them much higher up the table than we are now ?

I’d be pretty confident they’d revert to the median, probably mid table. Nuno is doing a great job.

 

[MikeH72]

Anderson, Milenkovic, Sosa to name three that starred yesterday and arrived in the summer.

But if you don’t rate Murillo, Gibbs-White etc then I dunno what to tell you.

What on earth are you on about hahahahaha. They are perfect examples of players that were there under Cooper that have gone up several levels under a new manager. You are lost at sea here.

 

[MikeH72]

I’d be pretty confident they’d revert to the median, probably mid table. Nuno is doing a great job.

Nuno would have our exact squad of players mid table right now.

 

[ToffeeTim]

One argument is that by getting in a new manager, regardless of who, Everton's chances of being relegated increases by a lot.

Even those who are brave and are getting in good managers that is a good fit, often see the club going through a tough spell without getting results. Look at Bournemouth. Iraola was a coup. People that follow football were surprised Bournemouth could attract him. He got money to spend. He got a full preseason. He came into a well run club with a brilliant director of football. He started with 0 wins in 9.

Look at Lopetegui at West Ham. Previous Spain and Real Madrid manager. Knew the league through his successful spell at Wolves. The type of manager Everton currently wold struggle to attract. West Ham spent silly money last summer. People saying they won the transfer window. Results have been awful. Their football is no better than it was under Moyes.

To think that an Everton team, with one of the worst squads in the league, should be OK and play god football by replacing Dyche is beyond stupid. This Everton squad is a lot worse than the one we had when Dyche was hired. Dyche should be blamed for that, but that is not a good reason to replace him now. It would make much more sense to replace him 18 months ago or last summer than now.

People have unrealistic expectations to this team. Back to back summers the fans have pushed away and applauded sales of the teams best midfielder. None of our current midfielders would make Forest's matchday squad. They were happy to see our best one (Mangala) go 10 months ago.

Ancelotti and Lampard knew that you'd never want Doucoure on the ball in your own half. That he was a liability. While Everton fans in forums and social media kept talking about playing him as a 6 or an 8, not as a 10. When Dyche is forced, due to lack of options, to play Doucoure deeper and Doucoure does what he has done his entire career, the same fans blame Dyche for Doucoure's mistakes.

Funny, isn't it. That those who were happy to see the back of Iwobi and Onana, were the same people that wanted Everton to sign Kalvin Phillips last summer. People with big mouths and strong opinions that might be proper fans, but that don't watch football, don't like football and don't understand football.

I dont think low 40 points is unrealistic or unfair at all

I dont think hoping for better than 3 wins by new year is unfair either.

The expectations were very low this year. Just avoid a relegation battle in the new year - that was it.

Don't understand the Kalvin Phillips point either. Don't remember too many wanting him to be signed and not sure why he is relevant to our run of results.

I honestly think it's highly unlikely a new manager could do worse. Its difficult to achieve a win record of under 17%. Less than 1 in 5 games. Its not a high bar for a new manager.

The be careful what you wish for argument is one I've never understood. No club the size of Everton should ever fear trying to improve on being constant relegation candidates. Doing nothing to better ourselves should never be an option.

 

[Frosty1878]

But I think your man will stay in place due to the new absent owners

Why you banging on about absent owners? In what way?

 

[SuperKev91]

Weird stance, all this to defend a manager that is clearly done, over 90% want rid...

But I think your man will stay in place due to the new absent owners we have.

My man .

Sack him tomorrow and I’d be delighted.

Why are you all defending these players as well though ffs?!

Are your heads that much in the sand that they’re crap as well?

Dyche is abysmal, please let me say that again, I dislike him as a bloke as well and the ‘football’ is turgid.

But the players can also be crap as well you know? Who are you even defending ffs? There’s genuinely only Pickford I actually properly like, and branthwaite. Ndiaye is too early doors.

 

[SuperKev91]

What on earth are you on about hahahahaha. They are perfect examples of players that were there under Cooper that have gone up several levels under a new manager. You are lost at sea here.

Ignored the first part eh?

They’re clearly talented players, it doesn’t matter who the manager is.

Come back to me with our talented players that are about to reach new levels.

 

[ForeverEverton]

I’d be pretty confident they’d revert to the median, probably mid table. Nuno is doing a great job.

I think your view is massive skewed, and you are massively massively over estimating Sean Dyche ability to manage in the PL.

I`m simply not having that the team that won 48 points and with the addition of NDaiye is only capable of winning 6/7 games this season, that is just not true.

And I`m pretty sure the majority feel that way...

 

[PhilM]

What on earth are you on about hahahahaha. They are perfect examples of players that were there under Cooper that have gone up several levels under a new manager. You are lost at sea here.

What's worse is that people are talking about Forest, yet they weren't anything special, at all. What they did do though is knew how to play in a way to limit us.

They were then clinical on the attack, and arguably could have had a few more because of our atrocious defending.