2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[SuperKev91]

So it’s now about quality recruitment and not just net spend. The manager has a say in the quality of recruitment you know.

What? It can be both. Brighton have perfected it.

But if you don’t recruit well you end up where we are, in a hole.

Were you sleeping through the past 5 years before Dyche arrived? Or was he responsible for this;

Tosun - 20m
Bolasie - 25m
Schneiderlin - 25m
Walcott - 25m
Gbamin - 25m
Siggurdsson- 45m
Williams - 15m
Doucoure - 30m
Allan - forget but over 20?
Gomes - 30m
Mina - 30m
Klaasen - 20m

I’m sure I’ve even left people off. None of that is on Dyche but he’s a symptom of it. He wouldn’t be anywhere near this club and neither would half of these crap players if we hadn’t got the above badly wrong.

 

[Blue peter]

One argument is that by getting in a new manager, regardless of who, Everton's chances of being relegated increases by a lot.

Even those who are brave and are getting in good managers that is a good fit, often see the club going through a tough spell without getting results. Look at Bournemouth. Iraola was a coup. People that follow football were surprised Bournemouth could attract him. He got money to spend. He got a full preseason. He came into a well run club with a brilliant director of football. He started with 0 wins in 9.

Look at Lopetegui at West Ham. Previous Spain and Real Madrid manager. Knew the league through his successful spell at Wolves. The type of manager Everton currently wold struggle to attract. West Ham spent silly money last summer. People saying they won the transfer window. Results have been awful. Their football is no better than it was under Moyes.

To think that an Everton team, with one of the worst squads in the league, should be OK and play god football by replacing Dyche is beyond stupid. This Everton squad is a lot worse than the one we had when Dyche was hired. Dyche should be blamed for that, but that is not a good reason to replace him now. It would make much more sense to replace him 18 months ago or last summer than now.

People have unrealistic expectations to this team. Back to back summers the fans have pushed away and applauded sales of the teams best midfielder. None of our current midfielders would make Forest's matchday squad. They were happy to see our best one (Mangala) go 10 months ago.

Ancelotti and Lampard knew that you'd never want Doucoure on the ball in your own half. That he was a liability. While Everton fans in forums and social media kept talking about playing him as a 6 or an 8, not as a 10. When Dyche is forced, due to lack of options, to play Doucoure deeper and Doucoure does what he has done his entire career, the same fans blame Dyche for Doucoure's mistakes.

Funny, isn't it. That those who were happy to see the back of Iwobi and Onana, were the same people that wanted Everton to sign Kalvin Phillips last summer. People with big mouths and strong opinions that might be proper fans, but that don't watch football, don't like football and don't understand football.

Can’t change a full squad I’m afraid. I think most people realise that the squad is generally poor. Do you think Dyche is getting what he should out of this current crop of players?

 

[pfim]

Did he really say the players failed to follow his tactics yesterday? With someone would ask what exactly they were.

I try not to put too much credence in what a manager says to the press, but that was just dumb.

 

[Papa Shango]

I was pulling my hair out at the amount of times Doucoure found himself with the ball on the break yesterday. Seems incapable of either picking a pass or of driving forward at pace. I'm convinced that Ndiaye would be an immediate improvement there - allows Harrison to play wide left and Lindstrom wide right for the time being.

It's not the worst idea but that's still just a case of moving one of our good players around a bit whilst playing two rubbish ones. The end result is probably still the same.

 

[Marius57]

But the players didn't magically improve overnight like people are suggesting (or literally writing in some cases) did they? Cooper had 3 wins from 17 games, Nuno got 4 wins from his first 17.They are now a very different squad and are much better for it. They've recruited well, and also have a better manager than us. Making out like the only thing that's changed at Forest is the manager is another weak argument to try to ram home a point that everybody already gets.

I mean. He got 6 wins in 21. Compared to 3 in 17. It’s a better record and is improvement.

Then for most of this season where they have improved greatly, his starting 11s mainly just been 2 new signings (namely milenkovic and Anderson) with one or two others dotted about occasionally (our game was the first real change in that as he has rotated more during the busy Xmas period). He has been there a year and you can see the improvement quite clearly.

Dyche has had this team for 2 years now and there’s no improvement.

 

[Ferguson1878]

Did he really say the players failed to follow his tactics yesterday? With someone would ask what exactly they were.

The echo today seem more interested in what maupay said than the result /performance/comments from Dyche

 

[Lanolin]

Can a manager getting a tune out of the same players as his predecessor through better coaching and tactics also be true? Or is that only true when people want it to be to suit an argument?

Of course it can. i've literally said that! Nuno is better than Dyche, and better than Steve Cooper, nobody is disagreeing with that. As I said, they went from 3 wins in 17 under Cooper to 4 wins in 17 under Nuno so there was an improvement with the exact same squad but not a huge one. They've added good quality to that and are now doing miles better. We need to do the same thing. For the 7000th time, I am not here to defend Sean Dyche and say he's a great manager, I'm just saying that I think any manager would have similar issues with the crap squad they have. I don't see easy solutions here like you sometimes can with a struggling team, I think we're genuinely bad. Hopefully Dyche goes soon because I'm fed up of it, but it needs to be allied to an injection of quality to the team otherwise we will just regress to the mean very quickly.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Nope, but cherry pick the occasions where it’s worked and leave out any where it hasn’t.

How is RVN doing?

How about Amorim?

Villa had a very talented squad under Gerrard. Forest had some really talented players after their mental buying spree, Nuno has had a while with them now and added further to that.

Perreira has had what three games? I’ve been saying for a while Wolves should pull clear with Palace, they have better players than us.

What I’m trying to say, is we don’t have any real ‘talent’ that’s underperforming. I think as a collective we could be doing a bit better yeah, 100%. But these players can all follow this crap manager out the door bar about three of them.

RVN he is having a go and I watched them v City and they missed some very presentable chances, hit the post and could have had a pen, City could have had no complaints if Lecicester had got something... But it is still City...

The league rewards teams that play to win and if they get on a run, which I think they will sooner or later, we will be in deep trouble.

Anorim has a tough job there and clearly there is massive internal issues around the playing staff and their administrators, INEOS seem to have upset the apple cart but they will come good at one point, I`m not saying there isn`t an exception to the rule but in the main teams improve under a new manager. Sometimes it is just a fresh voice and fresh ideas.

We do have talent in the squad but it is being held back, how can you show case talent, or you see talent, when all they are asked to do is spend all the time defending their own 18 yard box, not getting forward and definitely not having possession of the football. When we get a new manager and these players can flourish we will see their true talent because hoofball does nothing to highlight anything apart from a managers ineptness and lack of ability.

 

[blue to the bone]

We Cannot replace all our players immediately
We can replace our manager.
So let's do it .

 

[Papa Shango]

And no more Doucoure and Myko. Their performances of late have nearly been as ineffective as Harrison’s. You can’t carry 3 players into every game who are performing so badly, yet our manager continues to pick them.

Totally agree with carrying passengers but again we have nobody else to play. We have one left back, a shortage of midfielders with Garner out (who also isn't great himself) and it's either Harrison or Lindstrom (or both, which is just as bad.)

 

[Curtis]

Clearly it does as they were in a relegation battling team under Cooper?!

I love how the team that bought jesse linz on a 120k contract along with 30 other players in the past seasons while struggling I'd hailed for their brilliant recruitment, obviously they've made some solid acquisitions but they also bought traded and loaned countless players before they had the squad they did now also violated psr which somehow a lighter sentence despite their charge being more egregious and selling their best player at the time Johnson, it's very clear the manager changed theirtrajectory, otherwise why even have managers well just let the players field their own teams sone wackiness afoot today

 

[kiss the crest]

What? It can be both. Brighton have perfected it.

But if you don’t recruit well you end up where we are, in a hole.

Were you sleeping through the past 5 years before Dyche arrived? Or was he responsible for this;

Tosun - 20m
Bolasie - 25m
Schneiderlin - 25m
Walcott - 25m
Gbamin - 25m
Siggurdsson- 45m
Williams - 15m
Doucoure - 30m
Allan - forget but over 20?
Gomes - 30m
Mina - 30m
Klaasen - 20m

I’m sure I’ve even left people off. None of that is on Dyche but he’s a symptom of it. He wouldn’t be anywhere near this club and neither would half of these crap players if we hadn’t got the above badly wrong.

6 of those players would walk into this team right now

 

[derek duvall]

Ignored the first part eh?

They’re clearly talented players, it doesn’t matter who the manager is.

Come back to me with our talented players that are about to reach new levels.

Explain why with more or less the same group of players Forest finished 17th last season then?

 

[Marius57]

What? It can be both. Brighton have perfected it.

But if you don’t recruit well you end up where we are, in a hole.

Were you sleeping through the past 5 years before Dyche arrived? Or was he responsible for this;

Tosun - 20m
Bolasie - 25m
Schneiderlin - 25m
Walcott - 25m
Gbamin - 25m
Siggurdsson- 45m
Williams - 15m
Doucoure - 30m
Allan - forget but over 20?
Gomes - 30m
Mina - 30m
Klaasen - 20m

I’m sure I’ve even left people off. None of that is on Dyche but he’s a symptom of it. He wouldn’t be anywhere near this club and neither would half of these crap players if we hadn’t got the above badly wrong.

You are missing the point though. We spent circa £50m in summer. Yeah, it’s not a huge amount, but 3 of the players you are raving about at Forest cost about £30m all in. Dyche has a say in recruitment.

There are players available that he could have pointed out to thelwell. They wouldn’t walk into our team though, because he wouldn’t play them as they have no Pl ExPeRiEnCe.

 

[jceverton]

Ignored the first part eh?

They’re clearly talented players, it doesn’t matter who the manager is.

Come back to me with our talented players that are about to reach new levels.

Jesus - we don't need to do that much. Two more wins and a draw in the first 18 games would have us 10 points clear of the bottom 3. The players are capable of that, the manager isn't. If we were sitting 10 points clear now then the majority would be saying leave him as Manager and start again in the summer. The problem is that we are not and we are still flirting with relegation under him. We can't afford to be messing about, sack him, make a few signings in January and pick up 23 points plus from remaining games with a new manager who knows what he's doing.