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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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banno said:
Lets see what Dyche can do. At Burnley you cannot deny he didn't do a good job (considering). No choice at Burnley but to play ugly football to survive on the budget he had.
I seen instant progression in footy terms at Everton when he took over with us creating more (albeit without a striker) chances than Lampard did.
Dyche has already been labelled as FS MkII just on his Burnley days. Give the fellah a chance to see if he is capable of moving us onwards and upwards rather than thinking he will make us a Burnley mkII also.
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Completely agree Dyche did the job he was asked to do at Burnley: 17th is success, anything higher is a welcome bonus. That was Burnley's thinking because they knew their reality: small town club punching above their weight in the top tier for as long as they could. He did that for years, with a small budget, and deserves credit for it.

The tragedy is that this once-great, so-called "top club" have been reduced to. In 2023 we aspire to be Burnley 5 years ago. I don't recall much changing in a decade at Burnley. They always played the same way, brought in the same types of players, because that is Dyche's way - not saying it's good or bad or right or wrong, just is what it is.

I'm happy to give Dyche a chance, but he's not an unknown quantity. He's had a decade in the Prem. Everyone knows what he's about. "Functional Football" I call it. Not high entertainment, not boring, somewhere in the middle. "Ronseal Football" it should be called - does the job it says it does on the tin (I think that was the catchphrase). If he puts 44 points on the table next season and we stay in the Prem and we finished about 13/14/15th ish the board might be delighted, some fans might hail it a success, for me personally, it's just par for the course, minimum standard (and that doesn't mean I expect miracles).
 
I think he can stabilise things…. If supported with competent forward players And keep us out of trouble. Get to BMD, potential investment then decide who takes us forward at that point
 
Titus Shambles said:
I don't think anyone is talking about miracles, and it is VERY MUCH horses for courses: Everton Football Club is about staying in the Premier League (let's not kid ourselves there's any greater ambition than that) and there's far more chance that Dyche will be able to do that than not; ergo job done.

That's what this club has been reduced to. The Dyche's and Big Sam's of this world, because that is the reality of where we're at. There's no doubt in my mind if Dyche puts 45-50 points on the table next season he is safe as houses under the current ownership because that's a "top 17" finish; ergo job done.
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I don’t think it’s fair on `Dyche to compare with the pint of wine. While no pep, he does attack on occasion and was better going forward than under FL.

we were 19th /20th across most attacking metrics under Gravy
 
banno said:
Won 5 Drew 6 lost 7 not bad for a shambolic team. To be pedantic you can see the progression from Lampard. Lampard had the opportunity to get his own players in....Dyche didn't. What was expected of Dyche? Win all the games with THAT team...get a grip..he did alright and now has, quite rightly, another chance.

Some disney characters on here still expecting miracles......this ain't fantasy this is reality happening and will be a slog for a good few years before we can get excited again.
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Spot on!
 

Gallaeo said:
I don’t think it’s fair on `Dyche to compare with the pint of wine. While no pep, he does attack on occasion and was better going forward than under FL.

we were 19th /20th across most attacking metrics under Gravy
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Dyche's attacking metrics may very well have been better than Lampard's - hardly a high bar is it. My point is that -whilst the fan base can debate such things- it matters not one jot to the club. The only name of the game is finish above 18th. That's what we've been reduced to. Dyche more often than not can deliver it, some fans can call it "success" if they want, hail Dyche a miracle worker for getting 21 of 54 points if they want. For me, minimum standards is hardly a positive, even if its where we are right now.
 
Titus Shambles said:
The man is six months into 2.5 year contract of employment worth £100,000 per week at a Premier League club after being unemployed for a year having won about 4 of 30 games the last time he had a job.

Doubt he cares one iota whether he's at Glasto or Finch Farm tbh, it's all golden either way for him.
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Is this really what we're paying him?! That can't be true. What has he ever done to deserve £5m a year.
 

Titus Shambles said:
Yes lets use maths. No football club in the Premier League has ever been relegated or 'nearly relegated' after 20 games, because there are still 18 to play which is 54 points available. If we are using maths, then it is a mathematical impossibility to be 'nearly relegated' at the half way stage.

Lampard was a disaster, no one disputes that, but let's not pretend Dyche performed "a miracle". He had 18 games to overturn a 1 point deficit and needed until the last half hour of the season to do it - in part due to constantly playing Keane no matter how many mistakes and points he cost week after week, or throwing on Maupey everytime which actually worked against us but he refused or couldn't see these things. But we all overlook that now because 'job done'.

He did the job he was asked to do, no one disputes that, and that is the bottom line, hence why he is is safe as houses in the short term; but for me, 5 wins in 18 is not a gold standard, 1.17 PPG is nothing to shout about - in the cold light of day, its actually flat out embarrassing but it's also the exact reality of where we are. That 17th is success. That staying up is an achievement.

We've swapped the statistically second-worst manager in our history for one which is -so far- only slightly better. Dyche's extrap from his 18 games is 44 points. For me that is an abysmal return, for the football club, it is 100% acceptable as it keeps us in the league. Like I've said: horses for courses.
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again do the maths
Dyche W5 D6 L7
FL W3 D6 L 11

Dyche got more from a poor team than FL could and do not forget the downward out of control spiral we were already on. Dyche did well to stop the spiral and got us playing better and more as a team. More than deserves another chance
 
windymiller said:
Is this really what we're paying him?! That can't be true. What has he ever done to deserve £5m a year.
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Yes it is. 2.5 year deal, £5m per year (£100,000 a week), £12.5m total, plus reported £3-3.5m bonus for keeping us up last season.

We're paying him that because he held all the cards. He is already a millionaire. He not does need the money. He did not need the job and was not prepared to accept a short term contract. We sacked a manager with no plan beforehand and went to him, not the other way around. Either we accept his demands or we pay twice as much to Bielsa who only wanted to work with the kids. Yet another manager on a golden ticket win or lose.
 
Titus Shambles said:
The man is six months into 2.5 year contract of employment worth £100,000 per week at a Premier League club after being unemployed for a year having won about 4 of 30 games the last time he had a job.

Doubt he cares one iota whether he's at Glasto or Finch Farm tbh, it's all golden either way for him.
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Whatever his salary is, it's worth every penny because he kept us up.

Hark at how quickly some people forget what a perilous position we were in when Frank left.

Back in Jan (or Feb or Mar or Apr or May) it was results that were desperately needed, forget effing entertainment.
First and foremost, it's a results business
 

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