2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Moomin]

Not once have I mentioned UCL qualification or anything even close to it, but that's so often the problem here: question the clubs ambitions or the manager and it's met with that same daft statement, like there's absolutely nothing in between.

If you don't think some people on here firmly are in a Dyche love-in then I don't know what to tell ya. They can have at it if they want, but I saw the exact same thing with Lampard last year (as much as people would now like to pretend they didn't). I'd rather wait til winter and see where we are before declaring Dyche as the best thing since Moyes, a miracle worker etc and all the other over-reactive hyperbole I've read about a manager who is, as you say, limited.

I'm of the mind that Dyche deserves a shot this season, but as you say if he performs like Lampard did he will be sacked at the turn of the year.

Personally I think he is the ideal person to manage and survive on a limited budget and get us around 15th position mark.

Now next summer, we will have a bit of wiggle room with FFP to make a splurge in the transfer market and I would then try to get a new manager in.

 

[monkeyandy]

Out of contract players don’t really count, especially when one of them was head and shoulders our best defender.

wage bill reduced, but part high earners out of the club and no new contracts just out of blind loyalty is an improvement
Mina played 88 games in 5 years!
Tarkowski has played 38 in a season

 

[MikeH72]

wage bill reduced, but part high earners out of the club and no new contracts just out of blind loyalty is an improvement
Mina played 88 games in 5 years!
Tarkowski has played 38 in a season

If Mina isn’t replaced with a good defender then we are weaker than we were last season.

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

wage bill reduced, but part high earners out of the club and no new contracts just out of blind loyalty is an improvement
Mina played 88 games in 5 years!
Tarkowski has played 38 in a season

We literally offered Davies a new deal

 

[Furey1878]

Out of contract players don’t really count, especially when one of them was head and shoulders our best defender.

I would argue it looks a lot better if the players we need come in but that's the giant planet sized IF right now

 

[Furey1878]

We literally offered Davies a new deal

Cheaper to retain a 5th choice midfielder on relatively low wages than it is to go out and buy one.

Made sense that we offered him a new deal from the club's side.

Made sense that Tom turned it down for his own career.

 

[toffeeblue9]

I'm of the mind that Dyche deserves a shot this season, but as you say if he performs like Lampard did he will be sacked at the turn of the year.

Personally I think he is the ideal person to manage and survive on a limited budget and get us around 15th position mark.

Now next summer, we will have a bit of wiggle room with FFP to make a splurge in the transfer market and I would then try to get a new manager in.

Yeah, next summer is a big one for us - provided we are sensible this summer and come close to breaking even, we'll be at the back end of a rolling 3 year period for FFP where we are well within the permitted limits.

On top of that we have Iwobi, Doucoure, Gbamin, Alli, Gomes, Gueye, Gray and Coleman all out of contract next season and a few of those are amongst our bigger earners

If we are honest, the main aim this season is to do a little better and just try to stay outside the scrap at the bottom, we're unlikely to be able to spend enough to change that. The following season would, hopefully, be the one where we may be able to raise our expectation levels slightly given the extra financial wiggle room. Reasonable to take a view on Dyche at that point.

 

[Sharpattack]

Mina, Coady, Davies, Townsend, Begovic, Kean, Vinagre, Gibson all gone so far so its a start

Fringe players at best. I can think of at least 3 defenders that should have been cleared out before Mina. Also, contracts not being renewed, or just let lapse, is not a clear out

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

Cheaper to retain a 5th choice midfielder on relatively low wages than it is to go out and buy one.

Made sense that we offered him a new deal from the club's side.

Made sense that Tom turned it down for his own career.

You could frame it so It would also make sense for the club to offer Mina, our best defender, a deal then. Davies was on about 40k a week minimum as 5th choice

 

[davids]

Not once have I mentioned UCL qualification or anything even close to it, but that's so often the problem here: question the clubs ambitions or the manager and it's met with that same daft statement, like there's absolutely nothing in between.

If you don't think some people on here firmly are in a Dyche love-in then I don't know what to tell ya. They can have at it if they want, but I saw the exact same thing with Lampard last year (as much as people would now like to pretend they didn't). I'd rather wait til winter and see where we are before declaring Dyche as the best thing since Moyes, a miracle worker etc and all the other over-reactive hyperbole I've read about a manager who is, as you say, limited.

You've never said what you think our target for the coming season should be. Dyche is what he is,we are all aware of that,I obviously don't read every post on the forum but I'm yet to see one where a poster is wetting themselves with glee at him being out manager. He was the safest pair of hands available when Lampard had to go and with our financial situation is still the safest.

 

[Titus Shambles]

I'm of the mind that Dyche deserves a shot this season, but as you say if he performs like Lampard did he will be sacked at the turn of the year.

Personally I think he is the ideal person to manage and survive on a limited budget and get us around 15th position mark.

Now next summer, we will have a bit of wiggle room with FFP to make a splurge in the transfer market and I would then try to get a new manager in.

This is pretty much exactly where I'd stand with it as well.

 

[Furey1878]

You could frame it so It would also make sense for the club to offer Mina, our best defender, a deal then. Davies was on about 40k a week minimum as 5th choice

I said relatively low tbf, Gana, Doucoure and likely Onana will all be on bigger wages.

You could frame offering Mina, who as you say was our best defender, a new deal as good but you have have to completely overlook the fact he is hardly ever available and was on 120k pw. If he was willing to take a big pay-cut, then yes, but that's not something a lot of footballers do. Tbh, Mina was here for 5 years, I think even had we not just narrowly survived 2 years on the run, he would likely be ready to move on for a new challenge.

Obviously, just like a post I made before, letting players like Mina go can ultimately only be judged to be the correct decision if he's been adequately replaced.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as concerned as anyone that it won't happen, but we just have to wait and see.

 

[Titus Shambles]

You've never said what you think our target for the coming season should be. Dyche is what he is,we are all aware of that,I obviously don't read every post on the forum but I'm yet to see one where a poster is wetting themselves with glee at him being out manager. He was the safest pair of hands available when Lampard had to go and with our financial situation is still the safest.

Hence the wider point I was making: that 'safety' is the sole extent of our current ambition (if you can call that ambition). If it were me, I would want/expect to see some measureable progress. I'd want to see the win ratio increase, the loss ratio decrease and aim to put towards 50 points on the board with the aim of a 10th/11th/12th finish (providing we make some signings of course!).

Not saying I think we'll finish that high - it'll probably be 15th/16th, but by the same token, the point of a goal or a target is to aspire to and aim for something, to challenge yourself to improve and progress. It's not a wild target, a handful more wins with a handful fewer defeats is not pie in the sky, and I doubt there will be a lot of points between 10-12th and 15-17th.

It wont be Dyche's though, because he doesn't set targets, and it wont be the clubs because we have no ambition. Cold hard reality is another 17th place finish and manager and club alike, under the current ownership, would absolutely deem it another job well done and a "successful" season.

 

[davids]

Hence the wider point I was making: that 'safety' is the sole extent of our current ambition (if you can call that ambition). If it were me, I would want/expect to see some measureable progress. I'd want to see the win ratio increase, the loss ratio decrease and aim to put towards 50 points on the board with the aim of a 10th/11th/12th finish (providing we make some signings of course!).

Not saying I think we'll finish that high - it'll probably be 15th/16th, but by the same token, the point of a goal or a target is to aspire to and aim for something, to challenge yourself to improve and progress. It's not a wild target, a handful more wins with a handful fewer defeats is not pie in the sky, and I doubt there will be a lot of points between 10-12th and 15-17th.

It wont be Dyche's though, because he doesn't set targets, and it wont be the clubs because we have no ambition. Cold hard reality is another 17th place finish and manager and club alike, under the current ownership, would absolutely deem it another job well done and a "successful" season.

Either you read minds or you've hacked Dyche's email account. How do you know what he's looking at as a target for this season? I'd imagine ( imagine) that mangers outside the top 8 take it one game at a time and if they were being super honest look to get to 40 points asap.

 

[Titus Shambles]

Either you read minds or you've hacked Dyche's email account. How do you know what he's looking at as a target for this season? I'd imagine ( imagine) that mangers outside the top 8 take it one game at a time and if they were being super honest look to get to 40 points asap.

I don't need to be a mind reader to know Dyche doesn't set targets. I managed to deduce it from the number of times he's said the words "I don't set targets" in his many interviews. Most people don't exactly need the Sherlock Holmes box-set to figure it out.