2022/23 Sean Dyche

[DualityNSNO]

Well, you talk about who Dyches is, put him in a neat little box and how his "limitations and ceiling are obvious"

My point is a simple one - you've seen Dyche at Burnley, and only Burnley.

I'd say the limitations and ceilings at Burnley is what is obvious.

He was pragmatic with them, and played to their DNA. I've got a lot of time for that. I think he'd still be their manager, and we'd have gone down if they kept Chris Wood.

Carlo Ancelotti got an Everton team to 10th.

Sometimes no matter the manager, the team and resource dictate the ceiling.

Only time will tell who Sean Dyche is. He'll need time to show it.

He also did okay at Watford at the time but got shafted because Watford are Watford.

Dyche is the type of manager who's able to motivate players to give their all and honestly that atmosphere is when Goodison bounces the most, for that he's a good fit.

Does he have the required skills? I dunno, no one realistically can know - he's come in when we were literally the worst of the worst in the football league, not only the PL, and he's done a very good job so far (and I know I've personally been critical, no need to vault, I stand by what I said) in a situation that looked beyond salvageable, and gave us hope.

Regardless of our PL status next year, but especially if we stay up, he absolutely has to keep the attitude the same but while working to improve on several parts of play (and areas of the team). If he doesn't do that, sure, bin, whatever, but currently he's given us more to be positive about next year than not (including actually being in the Prem).

Also reckon he can't really do a very good job with the team we have like - some of the players are Championship or lower lol which makes his current record more impressive imo.

 

[DualityNSNO]

He'd probably be the same as Moyes, ie crap.

Managers like Dyche revel in the "us against the world" mentality.

All managers revel in that mentality.

Some of the best managers in the game, past and present, have that mentality.

Not really a good point to make, is it?

 

[Goat]

Or this 1.

 

[TheBigIguana]

C'mon mate. Jeez. You was meant to deny it so I could then find a post when you did and we could all have a good laugh at your expense.

There's something to be said about fit within a club. Howe fit Newcastle and where they needed to go. Dyche fits us at the present moment however long term it'd be best if we committed to being something else. I think he needs to go at the end of the year however it turns out so we can start the process of getting better.

With that said I'd have been against Howe just because I wouldn't have believed he could do this with a decent squad. We don't have a decent squad so I figure he'd have been really bad at Everton. Weirdly I'd still not want him post Newcastle.

 

[marnie]

He'd probably be the same as Moyes, ie crap.

Managers like Dyche revel in the "us against the world" mentality.

Moyes never had the money with us and what he had he bought some diamonds. Dyche has had no money at all.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He also did okay at Watford at the time but got shafted because Watford are Watford.

Dyche is the type of manager who's able to motivate players to give their all and honestly that atmosphere is when Goodison bounces the most, for that he's a good fit.

Does he have the required skills? I dunno, no one realistically can know - he's come in when we were literally the worst of the worst in the football league, not only the PL, and he's done a very good job so far (and I know I've personally been critical, no need to vault, I stand by what I said) in a situation that looked beyond salvageable, and gave us hope.

Regardless of our PL status next year, but especially if we stay up, he absolutely has to keep the attitude the same but while working to improve on several parts of play (and areas of the team). If he doesn't do that, sure, bin, whatever, but currently he's given us more to be positive about next year than not (including actually being in the Prem).

Also reckon he can't really do a very good job with the team we have like - some of the players are Championship or lower lol which makes his current record more impressive imo.

Would prefer we didn't do the exact same thing we did with Lampard and give a manager more time solely because he was less bad than 3 other clubs.

 

[Goat]

There's something to be said about fit within a club. Howe fit Newcastle and where they needed to go. Dyche fits us at the present moment however long term it'd be best if we committed to being something else. I think he needs to go at the end of the year however it turns out so we can start the process of getting better.

With that said I'd have been against Howe just because I wouldn't have believed he could do this with a decent squad. We don't have a decent squad so I figure he'd have been really bad at Everton. Weirdly I'd still not want him post Newcastle.

I think nice guy Eddie is doing a great job at Newcastle, but time will tell what he really is.

 

[COYBL25]

Every manager who comes in has people talking about early signs of what's to come. It's all very positive and optimistic until suddenly it isn't.

I've seen plenty of Dyche over the years, certainly enough to know what he is and what to expect. He's not the first manager to do alright for himself at a budget club and he won't be the last.

Comparisons with Allardyce are valid because their approaches are similar, except Allardyce was much more imaginative with his limited resources earlier in his career. If anything, Dyche's Burnley team had more in common with Stoke than Allardyce's Bolton.

Perhaps I'll urge you to keep an open mind if we end up appointing Tony Pulis to get us over the line next season.

His football is nothing like Allardyce.

All you need is a pair of eyes in your head to see that.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think nice guy Eddie is doing a great job at Newcastle, but time will tell what he really is.

Weirdly if he were German he'd have a decade long career as a high level manager sewed up already on this season. Instead he's going to manage Leicester or something next.

 

[TheBigIguana]

His football is nothing like Allardyce.

All you need is a pair of eyes in your head to see that.

It is with the ball. Less so without. A lot higher up.

 

[Goat]

Weirdly if he were German he'd have a decade long career as a high level manager sewed up already on this season. Instead he's going to manage Leicester or something next.

Mark Hughes 2.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Would prefer we didn't do the exact same thing we did with Lampard and give a manager more time solely because he was less bad than 3 other clubs.

I literally said in the post if he stinks the place up we should bin him, but you'll keep making stuff up about "obviously better managers" being available while mentioning 0 of those better managers, so I take anything you write with a whole salt mine's worth of salt.

 

[DualityNSNO]

It is with the ball. Less so without. A lot higher up.

It isn't.

 

[MikeH72]

I literally said in the post if he stinks the place up we should bin him, but you'll keep making stuff up about "obviously better managers" being available while mentioning 0 of those better managers, so I take anything you write with a whole salt mine's worth of salt.

He rates Jesse Marsch, a man who has corndogs and Gatorade for breakfast and calls people “dude” in a non ironic way.

 

[DualityNSNO]

He rates Jesse Marsch, a man who eats corndogs and Gatorade for breakfast and calls people “dude” in a non ironic way.

Not very tubular, dude.