He had Richarlison to thank for that. Dyche doesnt have that luxury
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But he still has Dom, McNeil (more effective than Gordon) and a miles better midfield.
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Coady's a big decision to make.
Basically all down to Thelwell but what's the point signing a guy already 30 given it's already been decided he's behind Keane (and Mina) in the pecking order?
That's where joined up thinking needs to work given there's still a permanent option to do the deal in place.
It doesn't, or at least, it shouldn't.
It comes down to this team, the quality in this team and how badly the club has been ran - deserves to go down, and if they go down, it's not on Sean Dyche.
Prior appointing him I felt he'd be a good appointment because he had 2 attempts at promotion and did so at first opportunity. I'd keep him for that no matter what happens over the next 2.
Indeed.
Can see why Bielsa didn't want to go near us this season - he understood how short fan memories are.
And what I'm saying, is Dyche keeping us in the league would be the biggest individual manager achievement since Moyes finished 4th so why are we seeing fans wanting him sacked?
I mean I wouldn't be adverse to him going if we stay up, purely because I haven't seen enough from him to see beyond another relegation battle. His transfer history worries me, his reluctance to use youth worries me (since we might really have to next year). He also picks his nose way too often in public.
Granted someone better was lined up and we had a more useful board and transparent DoF.
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I was saying this to the lads at the match yesterday, Dyche should be given time but he absolutely 100% should be able to be criticised by fans without wanting him sacked.
I am on the fence with him, ill be honest I think some of what he has done since he come in as been a bit weird - the whole supporting of Keane for so long was crazy, however I do think if we should stay up he should be given at least the opportunity to do something and try to build. Get out this cycle of change.
My opinion if we go down is probably a little different if am honest.
My opinion like, but any manager should be criticised if needed - but that doesn't mean you want him sacked.
Keep us up its a brilliant achievement, but I absolutely still think some of his decisions have kept us in it a little longer, even with our god awful squad.
Thatd be the mcneil that lampard couldnt get a tune out of would it? You can thank Dyche for his turn around
this is lampards midfield? haha
Whether we stay up or not will be decided in the final 2 games. That's where we are right now.
The reasons we are in this position are obvious, and go far above managers, but we can't undo all the mistakes over several years. All we can do is get 2 results and hope it's enough.
Whether or not we stay up determines whether changing the manager has been a success. If we fail to stay up then we need a full rebuild playing proper football and for me, I don't see Dyche as the right manager for that. His style of football is not what we need as a club if we go down and need to rebuild. We will be relying on younger players and will need to be able to play football again, on the ground, with technically better players. There is no excuse not to try and build something sustainable at that level either.
I personally don't think he's done a particularly good job, with only 4 wins. We are probably only about 1 win better off than if we hadn't changed manager. When he took over, 17th or better was success, and if we stay up then he succeeded. I'm not a fan of Dyche but I'll give him the credit he will deserve if he achieves his objective.
Oh and to all the "WE NEED TO REBUIIILLD AND WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT UNDER DYCHE"
We're not rebuilding anytime soon. There's a stadium to be paid for.
We need to prevent collapse - and contrary to what you might believe, the results over 3 seasons speak for themselves. This team is relegation fodder. We need pragmatism, we need small margins/percentages to keep us from disaster - that being relegation.
We'd be absolutely insane to sack Dyche.
What did you want to see from him mate?
Reluctance to use youth? /Sigh.
The team we have dictates relegation battle. It honestly, really is that simple.
We're not rebuilding anytime soon. There's a stadium to be paid for.
We need to prevent collapse - and contrary to what you might believe, the results over 3 seasons speak for themselves. This team is relegation fodder. We need pragmatism, we need small margins/percentages to keep us from disaster - that being relegation.
We'd be absolutely insane to sack Dyche.
What did you want to see from him mate?
Reluctance to use youth? /Sigh.
The team we have dictates relegation battle. It honestly, really is that simple.
I think it was more to do with how poor the team was.
Same thing - he knew we were doomed/fans would put it on him.
We're comparing last season's relegation battle to this season's you dope.
Was going to say this. We need a hardarsed tough mofo for a couple of seasons to kick these wimps into shape or out of the gaff, not unlike early Moyes did. Get some no nonsense players in to steady the ship, keep as many flair players who can fit that model, and build. Dyche will make us tighter defensively once we have an actual attacking threat (DCL's reappearance has shown we are a different side with an actual attacker in the team)
He is what we need right now.
Well I'd have liked him to realise Michael Keane can't play football.
Would have loved him to realise Godfrey can't play right-back (took him a few goes to understand what we know)
I'd have loved literally anyone but Holgate at LB yesterday.
Would have loved him to know Maupay completely pointless as a sub when we lump up long balls.
Would love him to know we are allowed subs in games when the players are visibly dead.
And yes, I do think in a team completely devoid of goals someone like Stan Mills should have been given some minutes.
It had nothing to do with that - he's quit on a dime for less.
We are woefully physically unprepared and he'd need a lot of time to implement his ideas. Can you imagine any of our players play Bielsaball, pressing and running for a full 90? Nah. Hence:
We got Dyche to prepare and avoid relegation. 4 in 16 is relegation form and we're having to rely again on hoping that others perform magically as we need them to. If he saves us it'd be a fantastic achievement and I'd say his best one yet, but as a long term manager he's clearly learned nothing while away from the game and we will sign some old turds and never play younger players.
I've said it before - bizarre selections, shocking playstyle decisions, lack of (in)game management, having only a plan A overall and hoping nothing ever goes wrong - tell tale signs of a bad manager; we also have relegation form results as a bonus. Also 0 adventure in playstyle if we're at a draw. Can't wait to have 15 next year!
He can surely motivate the players, but I'd say there's a tiny bit more to football than sounding like the personification of loose gravel in a washing machine and motivating players.
Our problems are that he has a 3 year contract or something stupid like that and that we have jokers as an owner, chairman and DoF, all "doing bits" allegedly.
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