2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Saint Domingo]

It is a bigger challenge, who is denying that? All I said is he has had enough games to keep us in the league. Simple as that. He has.

Depends on how you view the quality of the squad. I think it’s one of the worst in the league and then when you take Calvert Lewin out it’s definitely one of the 3 worst. The only team I think it’s definitely better than is Southampton’s, it’s a toss up with Leeds and I think it’s definitely worse than Leicester’s.

So if he’s picking up a squad already in the bottom 3 by a few points, has its top attacking player sold, has his best forward injured, and now has to make up ground on teams above us with better squads, we’re asking him to be far far better than his peers. It’s not about the number of games, if anything the larger the number the greater the hindrance as squad quality well tell over the larger sample size more often than not.

 

[nsno-chris]

Same thing - he knew we were doomed/fans would put it on him.

The majority of fans in the summer knew we’d struggle due to the mass incompetence of the board and DoF, in thinking that our attacking players could actually produce the goods.
Marcelo Bielsa does not seem the type who is arsed what fans think.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Whether we stay up or not will be decided in the final 2 games. That's where we are right now.

The reasons we are in this position are obvious, and go far above managers, but we can't undo all the mistakes over several years. All we can do is get 2 results and hope it's enough.

Whether or not we stay up determines whether changing the manager has been a success. If we fail to stay up then we need a full rebuild playing proper football and for me, I don't see Dyche as the right manager for that. His style of football is not what we need as a club if we go down and need to rebuild. We will be relying on younger players and will need to be able to play football again, on the ground, with technically better players. There is no excuse not to try and build something sustainable at that level either.

I personally don't think he's done a particularly good job, with only 4 wins. We are probably only about 1 win better off than if we hadn't changed manager. When he took over, 17th or better was success, and if we stay up then he succeeded. I'm not a fan of Dyche but I'll give him the credit he will deserve if he achieves his objective.

That's a lot of words for very little mate, but I said earlier fans have short memories so let's take this bit;

I personally don't think he's done a particularly good job, with only 4 wins.not a fan of Dyche but I'll give him the credit he will deserve if he achieves his objective.

Now, Dyche was appointed 30th January.

Here is you, 4th Jan;

We
Cannot
Hire
A
"Progressive"
Manager
Because
Our
Football
Players
Cannot
Play
Football
It's
As
Simple
As
That

On current form we are the second worst side in the division for my money

Either we sign forwards and get a new manager who hit the ground running, or we go down.

We didn't bring in those forwards mate, in fact, all we did since then was sell Gordon.

Here is you, the day Dyche is appointed;

We play Bournemouth at Goodison in the final match

If you offered me going into that game needing 3 points to survive, I would take it all day at this stage

I believe we effectively went down today. We won't score enough goals.

... I could go on. You wrote us off as down.

Yet, today - you're saying you don't think Dyche has done a good job.

Go figure.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Oh and to all the "WE NEED TO REBUIIILLD AND WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT UNDER DYCHE"

We're not rebuilding anytime soon. There's a stadium to be paid for.

We need to prevent collapse - and contrary to what you might believe, the results over 3 seasons speak for themselves. This team is relegation fodder. We need pragmatism, we need small margins/percentages to keep us from disaster - that being relegation.

We'd be absolutely insane to sack Dyche.



What did you want to see from him mate?

Reluctance to use youth? /Sigh.

The team we have dictates relegation battle. It honestly, really is that simple.

We will have no option but to rebuild if we go down. We will be forced into selling players to cut costs and they will need to be replaced by players in the championship market. So that's why I want a change of manager if we go down, but let's hope we don't.

If we stay up and go with the same players, then we will eventually go down any way.

 

[DualityNSNO]

What did you want to see from him mate?

Reluctance to use youth? /Sigh.

The team we have dictates relegation battle. It honestly, really is that simple.

No idea why the world of warcraft emote for sighing when it's an actual 100% bonafide fact he doesn't want to play youth players hahah

 

[ToffeeTim]

That's a lot of words for very little mate, but I said earlier fans have short memories so let's take this bit;



Now, Dyche was appointed 30th January.

Here is you, 4th Jan;





We didn't bring in those forwards mate, in fact, all we did since then was sell Gordon.

Here is you, the day Dyche is appointed;





... I could go on. You wrote us off as down.

Yet, today - you're saying you don't think Dyche has done a good job.

Go figure.

The reason we are still in the hunt is because we will maybe only need 35 points this year. If it was a 38-40 point season we'd be all but gone.

If he keeps us up he succeeds, and he will get credit and he will get time. The one thing I have been pretty shocked at is how bad defensively we have been under him. I expected that to be significantly better. The balance has been an issue for him, but he's not the only manager who has struggled. Against United and Fulham we were way too open and not pragmatic enough. Against Palace and Leicester we should have been more proactive to get winning goals.

Dyche will stay if we stay up because we need a different type of manager in the top flight with a below par squad. If we go down, we need to be looking to win every week and to build a team of younger players. For me that requires a very different style of manager.

 

[Rob17896]

Don't make me copy and paste again...

The point is, Dyche keeping us up would be a tremendous achievement. A few are trying to rewrite the reality of that achievement.

We were favourites to go down, and for good reason. I couldn't find a blue who was optimistic about our chances when Lampard was sacked and Dyche was appointed.

Fans wanted to kiss Lampards arse for achieving nothing comparative to what Dyche could potentially achieve.

Why? Because he's Frank Lampard and one is Sean Dyche.

Football hipsters who just don't like Sean Dyche. That's fair enough, but don't undermine the challenge he had because you don't like him.

There was pretty much universal agreement we were gone when he took over, it is now in our favour to stay up. of course it has not been perfect, we have not had DCL until recently. We were never in with a shout against City and at this stage you have to accept that. Four points from two away games now we have a striker bodes well. Dyche has not done too badly with the hand he was dealt.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The reason we are still in the hunt is because we will maybe only need 35 points this year. If it was a 38-40 point season we'd be all but gone.

If he keeps us up he succeeds, and he will get credit and he will get time. The one thing I have been pretty shocked at is how bad defensively we have been under him. I expected that to be significantly better.

Dyche will stay if we stay up because we need a different type of manager in the top flight with a below par squad. If we go down, we need to be looking to win every week and to build a team of younger players. For me that requires a very different style of manager.

I suggest you search your posts for the week or two prior Dyche, and the week he was appointed. It might refresh your memory.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I suggest you search your posts for the week or two prior Dyche, and the week he was appointed. It might refresh your memory.

I've changed my mind on what we need in the event of a relegation, based on what I've seen so far from Dyche. I change my mind often, I'm wrong often, I'm ocassionally right, but more often wrong.

Dyche is an option that makes sense now in the top flight, but not next season in the championship. If we stay up then he obviously will stay in place and get a chance to improve on this season. The league we are in next season makes a big difference to the type of football we will need to play, and the type of coach we require.

If we go down we need 90 + points. If we stay up we need a point a game.

 

[Nymzee]

Writing was on the wall for him with me on his first day. Black shoes with blue jeans ffs.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I've changed my mind on what we need in the event of a relegation, based on what I've seen so far from Dyche. I change my mind often, I'm wrong often, I'm ocassionally right.

Dyche is an option that makes sense now in the top flight, but not next season in the championship. If we stay up then he obviously will stay in place and get a chance to improve on this season.

We're all entitled to change our mind, particularly as events change.

My point was on how you're saying now that Dyche hasn't done a good job, when just a few months back you wrote us off as relegated because we don't have forward and how we can't score, with a team so bad we can't appoint a progressive manager and how you'd take going to the last day needing a win.

It's indicative of what I'm seeing - undermining and downplaying the challenge Dyche had.

We've got to be fair.

 

[Ring master]

Think he stays if we stay up or go down myself, and i dont see a problem with that either way.

 

[navidson]

Writing was on the wall for him with me on his first day. Black shoes with blue jeans ffs.

Brown Shoes have got a bad rep around these parts

 

[Nymzee]

Brown Shoes have got a bad rep around these parts

True, didn't want to get Dave on his side too early.

 

[JLW]

The reason we are still in the hunt is because we will maybe only need 35 points this year. If it was a 38-40 point season we'd be all but gone.

If he keeps us up he succeeds, and he will get credit and he will get time. The one thing I have been pretty shocked at is how bad defensively we have been under him. I expected that to be significantly better. The balance has been an issue for him, but he's not the only manager who has struggled. Against United and Fulham we were way too open and not pragmatic enough. Against Palace and Leicester we should have been more proactive to get winning goals.

Dyche will stay if we stay up because we need a different type of manager in the top flight with a below par squad. If we go down, we need to be looking to win every week and to build a team of younger players. For me that requires a very different style of manager.

I disagree with that, If he keeps us up then i think we need to change because a Dyche style keeps you bottom half next season IMO
Like you say i expected us to be hard to beat but we are anything but that, i know a lot is the players but ive seen nothing to suggest that a full pre-season and a change in personnel would see us be much better than this season.